EVE General Discussion

Slower CONCORD does not allow for equal fights or contesting incursions since you start a fight, get scenes then inevitably down. pointless

And I'm the OP

It would become lower income than mission running, eventually no one will run the sites and you'll be finding something else to complain about. Sorry, but the game doesn't cater to just you and your buddies.

Reduce payouts (possibly tune more towards LP?)
Rebalance vanguards
Retune influence so incursions don't dissapear in less than 5 hours outside of farming agreements
Add elements of randomness to reduce predictability and as a result the amount of min/max fitting going on
Edit:
Make it so scramblers don't just warp off when objectives are killed (to stop blitzing)

Sure if I was advocating for ridiculous ways to break other people's gameplay and activities.



Vanguards need to be adjusted so they can't be blitzed.

For example in an OTA you need to simply shoot the Deltoles for completion (and subsequent site despawn) This requires a shiny fleet to achieve as the rat DPS after the second Deltole goes does down starts to actually hurt.

NCO's need a complete rework, as it stands Legion or Slepnier fleets can fast lock and instapop the frigate swarms in "blink and miss it" speeds.

NMC's need a timer that won't spawn the objective can before a set period.


This will nerf the organised fleets rolling sites every 4 minutes for 10 mil payouts, without affecting the pug casuals. Lazy shiny fleets will find their isk drop and the maximum potential income for Vanguards has a more reasonable cap for the absolute bleeding edge groups. If you nerf the isk payout there's zero reason for casuals to run Incursion fleets with potentially dumb pilots when they can make as much isk running L4's and be safe in the knowledge their ship isn't going to asplode because some idiot couldn't pay attention.


Secondly HQ and Assault sites need their pay restructuring so that they are appealing in isk/hour to the more organised fleets rather than rolling the more casually tuned Vanguards. Restructure the difficulty of the sites so that waves are a possible combination of several different ship types so that you can't rinse/repeat on every scenario, don't increase the volley damage however. I'm very much with the CSM on this one, instagibbing is not a mechanic that puts in difficulty, it's a pointless cockblock and lazy. Remove specific triggers and require full wave clears before progressing on (exclusion to mothership sites, where the waves spawn due to a different style of event, do keep the variation of shiptypes though)


Essentially make HQ/Assault sites more challenging, but make them financially more appealing than Vanguards. PvE in EVE at it's highest level should not be a memorised playbook that you found on a website. There should be a need for the FC to actually FC, there should be more potential for things to go wrong, player error should be more forced.

Why? So you can club baby seals?

then people wont do them unless you raise the reward for them even more. wont work, derp.

Maybe instead ccp need to review why they included incursions. I thought it was to give better pve content and give people the opportunity to take part in events with other people.

If people farm them then just change the rules and payout. It's better than breaking the whole concept by making all incursion areas Concorde free. It would completely defeat the whole idea of what the high.sec incursion experience is meant to be.

Ow....

I facepalmed so hard i think my nose might be broken...

Competent people will avoid running them since the time required to do so in PVE fitted ships will undoubtedly attract those only interested in griefing fleets that can't adequately sustain a fight. The fact that these fleets have logistics is of little consequence since a well coordinated cov-ops fleet strike will take them down quickly which will, of course, be followed by the rest of the incursion fleet being wiped out in quick order. Even still, the spontaneous nature of many of these fleets and their unfamiliar compositions will result in the fleet disbanding at the first sign of trouble. Because Incursions are advertised and their sites readily available to anyone at any time, there is no warning to be had that trouble is brewing, hence no time to order a strategic retreat before the shithits the fan.

I wouldn't mind so much the suggestion of Incursions being pvp sites as long as you put a bit more thought into it than "make it happen so I can kill people who haven't the slightest clue". Seriously, there are places to do that. They're called noob systems. But, then you'd have to contend with the wrath of CCP for griefing noob. Yet the principle is the same in the concept that you've put forward here.