Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As I see EVE is still invaded by Suicide Gankers. Developers do nothing because this is not conflict with game mechanic. But, lets look from other side. There are NPC empires. And there are constantly repeated crime. What will do a real empire in this case? It will change law. What can be changed? For instance. If someone blow property of other player in empire space he will lost not only security standing, but also he will owe money to the property owner. And before he return the dept he will wear status "outlaw". This will not give problem in case of engaging by mistake, on one hand, but on other professional suicide gankers will get feeling of real outlaw and civil force will have fair chance to protect honest traders.

time to toss lore back at you

capsuleers operate to a large extent outside of empire law.(turns out when you're immortal law enforcement stops working)


at the same time when you are immortal death is meaningless. This meant that wars between capsuleers threatened to be the end of everything. To prevent this CONCORD was created with the goal to ensure such conflicts would not put people in to great of risk near the highly populated areas of new eaden.

so you shoot another capsuleer in High sec without CONCORD approval CONCORD comes and blows you up so your fight has no risk of escalation. beyond that the Empires tend to do their best in order to just tip toe around us

If you invoke NPC lore, please make sure to consider all of it and not mix it with the real world and how you think it should be. The big empires do not have much control over capsuleers. They are happy as long as the eggers keep blowing each other up, and don't get any ideas about ganging up against them, because that would end rather badly for the empires, considering that capsuleers are immortal, and have their own stations, regions, gigantic supercapital fleets.

In fact, the empires depend on the goodwill of the capsuleers by now. They would have been overrun by the Sansha hordes by now were there no Capsuleers to defend them. They even let capsuleers fight their wars for them after the Emergency Militia War Powers Act of 110YC. You can see what the Empires can do against the Capsuleers in missions, when you go up against groups of a couple dozen ships alone and blow them all up, or when you tank and destroy the groups of faction ships that will come after you if you enter their space with bad standing or bad security status.

And finally, why would the empires care? The crimes you are talking about are being comitted exclusively by capsuleers against capsuleers. You may be working for the Caldari State right now, but Capsuleers are fickle beings. At any moment you may decide to not work for the Caldari State anymore, and they can do nothing about it. You are a monster they created. A convenient tool to be used for as long as you let them use you at best, but you are not a valued citizen with state protected human rights for them. One could argue that you are not even human, because humans die when they are killed.

CONCORD and the Yulai Convention are there to enforce and define a set of basic rules, but everything beyond that is for capsuleers to sort out. So don't ask what the empires can do, ask what the capsuleers can do. And capsuleers are almost exclusively players.

Surviving a suicide gank is the best way to combat them, if it isn't profitable it isn't worth doing.

The empire themselves are hard to evaluate in term of power. While we kill some of their ship rather easily, Caldari state also have the "honor" of having found a way to utilize a DD on a CONCORD BS and kill it. They (Caldari state again) also have a good reason to let us freely do what we do if they profit from it in the end. Other empire could see it differently.

As for us taking over the universe, we still don't know how to create a single gate and CONCORD can still enforce traffic control for however long they want on gates even in deep null so our potential invasion would be rather limited if they decided be efficient about it.

Our pods also are made by one corp in one of the empire so that could be problematic.

Who control the pod entire architecture is truly who get's to say who's wrong or right in a war between capsulers and the empires.

Highsec should be safe, lowsec for those who's going to tip their toes into pvp and 0.0 space is where no one will hear you scream for help. That imo should be the case.
When i jump into lowsec i also get the warning ( i reinstalled eve lately ) You are about to dive into 0.4 space, Concord can NOT guarantee your safety here.

Thus when i stay in highsec concord garantees my safety. Since recently i lost my freighter, full set of highgrades and my pod ofcourse.. thanks to 60 or 70 t1 destroyers.

There's NO way to counter, NO way to wardec them , well you can but NO use, because it are alts who just online when there's a target flying in HIGH SECURITY. <---- BIG JOKE.

The losses being made on their side , they even MAKE a profit with the insurrance. It's a WIN WIN for them.

Its just pure greefing. A few years ago i also lost twice many skillpoints because of diving back too fast into the fray to join my gang mates.
This is now undone, why? because its not a really usefull game feature for the players.
Bumping ships outside of pos shields? Its banned, but WHY? Its a game feature right? Not an expoit. They MADE it that way.
But its banned, too many people complained because its gamebreaking.

This HIGHSEC ganking,, is gamebreaking. It's the last time ill rejoin EVE.
This is not my game anymore if it has to be this way.
Senior GMS told me that they are allready looking into this, but ganking in highsec, that means theres something wrong with it, imo they should reimburh the victims in the meantime or expect the playerbase getting smaller and smaller.
It's bad for business, bad for the players.

Yeah, so there are suicide gankers. Big deal. They impose consequences on the imprudent.

And how exactly do you think the law should be implemented? Oh yeah, by simply stopping ganking by some dumb mechanic like making it impossible to shoot at people in HS save in a war dec, duels, or who are criminals or have a suspect flag. Great. So much for the sandbox. Now we got Bads™ telling everyone else how to sandbox.

Hyperbole aside,

Do you honestly expect that a player, who has taken no precautions and is working with no one, to be able to survive an attack from multiple players who are working together and have planned their attack well in advance?

And no where in the game does it say that CONCORD guarantees your safety. Quite the opposite in fact.
Hell... most of the advice given to new players is "you are safe nowhere in this game, not even High-sec."


Gankers do not get insurance.

They pay the full price of their ship and the modules on it... whether the gank is successful or not.

If you had an escort, they would have next to no chance of killing you.

Two of you, vs ~70 of them and you'd win.

Easily.

And you claim freighter ganking has no counter?

Goons don't usually gank for ***** and giggles, they do it for profit. My money is one a T2 BPO.