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a question about mining fitting
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Manicomio Tripudion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-01-28 10:38:21 UTC
hi there everybody,

i would like to know if the "miner II" could be fitted on the porpoise i recently bought. i use EVEHQ to test the fittings but it says i cannot fit it on that ship; that seems quite strange to me. Can u please confirm it? thanks for the attention and anwsers,

M.

p.s. if you have a better fit software than EVEHQ, feel free to suggest it to me, i'll be grateful

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Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#2 - 2017-01-28 10:59:45 UTC
If you just want to do fittings, you'd be better using either Pyfa or EFT, smaller and more to the point.

as for the MIner II, it's a turret, and since Porpoise (and Orca) don't have turrets slot, you can't put it on them. Same goes for Strip miner.

Porpoise and Orca can mine exclusively with mining drones, and have bonuses for them.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#3 - 2017-01-28 11:21:16 UTC
You can also use the in-game fitting/simulation tool.

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Manicomio Tripudion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2017-02-02 10:36:00 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
If you just want to do fittings, you'd be better using either Pyfa or EFT, smaller and more to the point.

as for the MIner II, it's a turret, and since Porpoise (and Orca) don't have turrets slot, you can't put it on them. Same goes for Strip miner.

Porpoise and Orca can mine exclusively with mining drones, and have bonuses for them.




thanks for the answer, Kiddomer: so that means that i have to leave my solo mining project? Ugh or i can assume that drones yeld could be worth it?

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Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#5 - 2017-02-02 10:43:06 UTC
I tried both the Porpoise and the Orca to mine solo with drones, you will definitely need 3 mining drone augmentor rigs for them to have a yield somewhat worth your time, either tech 1 or if you can afford it 2 tech 2.

The thing is, a porpoise is quite cheap, and can tank with a X-large shield booster or 1-2 large shield extender, more than enough for a lof of gankers, plus the ship is not worth it most of the time. I advise you to not forget to put navigation computers to speed up your drones, mining drones are very slow drones. Otherwise you can use your slot lefts for tank modules and tractor beams and salvagers in the high if you want to kill rats, or small remote reps for your drones.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
Manicomio Tripudion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2017-02-02 11:37:01 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
I tried both the Porpoise and the Orca to mine solo with drones, you will definitely need 3 mining drone augmentor rigs for them to have a yield somewhat worth your time, either tech 1 or if you can afford it 2 tech 2.

The thing is, a porpoise is quite cheap, and can tank with a X-large shield booster or 1-2 large shield extender, more than enough for a lof of gankers, plus the ship is not worth it most of the time. I advise you to not forget to put navigation computers to speed up your drones, mining drones are very slow drones. Otherwise you can use your slot lefts for tank modules and tractor beams and salvagers in the high if you want to kill rats, or small remote reps for your drones.




what was interesting to me (hisec solo miner most of the times) about Porpoise was (first of all) the bigger ore hold and (i thought so) the chance to fit some strip/turret for mining to give a boost to my ususal mining yeld. the information you gave me changes the things a bit. i'll check the prices for rigs and other eventual augmentations. do you think Porpoise could be used in 0.4 sec zones?

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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#7 - 2017-02-02 12:18:19 UTC
https://o.smium.org

Just Add Water
Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#8 - 2017-02-02 12:38:13 UTC
Manicomio Tripudion wrote:
Kiddoomer wrote:
I tried both the Porpoise and the Orca to mine solo with drones, you will definitely need 3 mining drone augmentor rigs for them to have a yield somewhat worth your time, either tech 1 or if you can afford it 2 tech 2.

The thing is, a porpoise is quite cheap, and can tank with a X-large shield booster or 1-2 large shield extender, more than enough for a lof of gankers, plus the ship is not worth it most of the time. I advise you to not forget to put navigation computers to speed up your drones, mining drones are very slow drones. Otherwise you can use your slot lefts for tank modules and tractor beams and salvagers in the high if you want to kill rats, or small remote reps for your drones.




what was interesting to me (hisec solo miner most of the times) about Porpoise was (first of all) the bigger ore hold and (i thought so) the chance to fit some strip/turret for mining to give a boost to my ususal mining yeld. the information you gave me changes the things a bit. i'll check the prices for rigs and other eventual augmentations. do you think Porpoise could be used in 0.4 sec zones?


Yes the ore hold is definitely a plus for solo mining with the ship, and as for low-sec, not sure if you would be better mining there, between high and low it's not that great to mine the ores there considering the more risky environnement. You'd be better trying providence space, or first scout with a hard to catch ship to check some lowsec systems to see if there's activity.

There's one thing that will help though, it's the lower align time than mining barges, without nanofibers II in the low I have a 7 second align time, and with them 5, so you can quite quickly leave the belt and get to a safe or a station. Plus the ship costing not that much, losing one is not a big deal, with the high powergrid you could put two medium energy neutralizer to cap out frigates to get out of tackling.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
Manicomio Tripudion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2017-02-02 13:33:45 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
https://o.smium.org


good suggestion, Mr. Silverguard, thanks a loto. do you think something like this https://o.smium.org/loadout/127772#loadout could be useful for an aspiring solo miner?

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Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#10 - 2017-02-02 15:52:00 UTC
Manicomio Tripudion wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
https://o.smium.org


good suggestion, Mr. Silverguard, thanks a loto. do you think something like this https://o.smium.org/loadout/127772#loadout could be useful for an aspiring solo miner?


If you mine solo, you can drop from the fit the 2 mining foreman bursts, these dont affect drones, only other mining ships using mining lasers in your fleet.

Small remote shield booster are enough to protect your drones from npc, the porpoise has bonuses to the damages of its combat drones, you can quickly kill rats with it.

Ancillary shield boosters use cap booster, not sure you will need that in case in case you're attacked, porpoise cant defend from a lot of PVP threats, either put Large shield extender instead or a standard xl shield booster with a cap battery or shield boost amplifier. The damage control in the low is fine, if by my changes you can free up some cpu, you can put either a drone damage amplifier or a reinforced bulkhead.

For the rigs, if you're mining solo, you'll need drone mining augmentor, otherwise you'll have a yield so low you would be better using a venture or an expedition frigate.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
Manicomio Tripudion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2017-02-03 11:14:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Manicomio Tripudion
I'll be able to fly my porpoise in a couple of days, i'll try to fit it in the best way i can afford for a solo mining test. let's see. thanks to everybody SmileSmileSmile

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Manicomio Tripudion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2017-02-05 20:36:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Manicomio Tripudion
hi there pipl, did a test with following fitting:


[Porpoise, porpoise1]
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II

50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Large Ancillary Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Large Ancillary Remote Shield Booster

Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I



Mining Drone II x5

Navy Cap Booster 3200 x5
Mining Laser Field Enhancement Charge x2
Mining Laser Optimization Charge x2


with fitting like this, i can say solo mining with porpoise it's not worth it: with my covetor, i'm able to make 4 jettison (azure plag.) plus the ship ore old in 2 hours circa. with porpoise i had half the yeld circa. do you think something in my fitting is missing/wrong?

p.s.: i know i should have equipped drone mining aug. II, but cost is too high for a +5% yeld imho

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#13 - 2017-02-06 00:56:34 UTC
the porpoise is a mining command ship and it was made to give mining bonuses, to other mining ships, not mine by itself. I'd suggest a skiff or a mackinaw for solo mining, or their t1 variants. Skiff is very tanky and has a decent ore hold, where the Mack has a huge ore hold and can fit an alright tank.

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Manicomio Tripudion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2017-02-06 09:49:11 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
the porpoise is a mining command ship and it was made to give mining bonuses, to other mining ships, not mine by itself. I'd suggest a skiff or a mackinaw for solo mining, or their t1 variants. Skiff is very tanky and has a decent ore hold, where the Mack has a huge ore hold and can fit an alright tank.



i do agree with you, now more with the direct experience i did! but, just to know, a hulk wouldn't be better, instead of a skiff or machinaw? it has a +3% (instead of a +2%) on strip mining

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Mikkir
SHINKETSU Inc.
#15 - 2017-02-06 10:23:45 UTC
Manicomio Tripudion wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
the porpoise is a mining command ship and it was made to give mining bonuses, to other mining ships, not mine by itself. I'd suggest a skiff or a mackinaw for solo mining, or their t1 variants. Skiff is very tanky and has a decent ore hold, where the Mack has a huge ore hold and can fit an alright tank.



i do agree with you, now more with the direct experience i did! but, just to know, a hulk wouldn't be better, instead of a skiff or machinaw? it has a +3% (instead of a +2%) on strip mining



Depends on how you mine.

If you fill your ore hold and go back to station it's a bad ship, as you end up spending more time warping than mining.

If you dump into a deployable can or into a hauler it has the highest yield. However, it is very gankable (high sec) and doesn't have a very sturdy tank (null sec). If you have the right fleet it can be well worth it, but you have to plan your fleet around it, where the mack and skiff need less concessions.

So it depends on what kind of player you are.
Manicomio Tripudion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2017-02-06 11:59:13 UTC
Mikkir wrote:
Depends on how you mine.

If you fill your ore hold and go back to station it's a bad ship, as you end up spending more time warping than mining.

If you dump into a deployable can or into a hauler it has the highest yield. However, it is very gankable (high sec) and doesn't have a very sturdy tank (null sec). If you have the right fleet it can be well worth it, but you have to plan your fleet around it, where the mack and skiff need less concessions.

So it depends on what kind of player you are.


thanks for joining the topic Mikkir.

well, i don't spend regular time on eve, so when i'm in for mining i prefer to do it in a fixed and secure place (0.6 actually), filling jetcans until less than two hours (azure plagioclase, 4 jetcans usually), then going back to station to get my miasmos and get all the jetcans. so, maximize the yeld is my aim

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Luthor Ikkala
Snow Moon City
Fraternity.
#17 - 2017-02-06 13:19:20 UTC
Manicomio Tripudion wrote:
Mikkir wrote:
Depends on how you mine.

If you fill your ore hold and go back to station it's a bad ship, as you end up spending more time warping than mining.

If you dump into a deployable can or into a hauler it has the highest yield. However, it is very gankable (high sec) and doesn't have a very sturdy tank (null sec). If you have the right fleet it can be well worth it, but you have to plan your fleet around it, where the mack and skiff need less concessions.

So it depends on what kind of player you are.


thanks for joining the topic Mikkir.

well, i don't spend regular time on eve, so when i'm in for mining i prefer to do it in a fixed and secure place (0.6 actually), filling jetcans until less than two hours (azure plagioclase, 4 jetcans usually), then going back to station to get my miasmos and get all the jetcans. so, maximize the yeld is my aim


How much can you mine with retriever per cycle? My mining skills aint the best but in 169sec i can mine about 1900m3 with t1 stripminer and about 2300m3 with t2 stripminer and t1 crystal. For those numbers my orca beats them and porpoise gets pretty close aswell. And i actually like mining with porpoise as i dont have to dock up at all during my mining session. And with orca i like how fast the drones actually mine.
Mikkir
SHINKETSU Inc.
#18 - 2017-02-07 05:03:57 UTC
Manicomio Tripudion wrote:
Mikkir wrote:
Depends on how you mine.

If you fill your ore hold and go back to station it's a bad ship, as you end up spending more time warping than mining.

If you dump into a deployable can or into a hauler it has the highest yield. However, it is very gankable (high sec) and doesn't have a very sturdy tank (null sec). If you have the right fleet it can be well worth it, but you have to plan your fleet around it, where the mack and skiff need less concessions.

So it depends on what kind of player you are.


thanks for joining the topic Mikkir.

well, i don't spend regular time on eve, so when i'm in for mining i prefer to do it in a fixed and secure place (0.6 actually), filling jetcans until less than two hours (azure plagioclase, 4 jetcans usually), then going back to station to get my miasmos and get all the jetcans. so, maximize the yeld is my aim


If you're mining in high sec I wouldn't use a hulk tbh. I haven't played regularly for a while, and I haven't mined since they redid the mining ships, but I remember the hulk being about as sturdy to gankers as a wet paper bag. Maybe it's different now.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#19 - 2017-02-07 13:01:14 UTC
Orcas are probably the safest mining ships at the moment and have close to the same mining ouput with drones as some of the specialized mining hulls. Plus the 150,000 m3 ore bay, 40,000 m3 fleet hangar...

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Manicomio Tripudion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2017-02-15 09:04:27 UTC
Luthor Ikkala wrote:

How much can you mine with retriever per cycle? My mining skills aint the best but in 169sec i can mine about 1900m3 with t1 stripminer and about 2300m3 with t2 stripminer and t1 crystal. For those numbers my orca beats them and porpoise gets pretty close aswell. And i actually like mining with porpoise as i dont have to dock up at all during my mining session. And with orca i like how fast the drones actually mine.


my actual yeld (with strip miner II and plagio cristal II) is 1593 m3 per 132.3 s (12 m3/s). i use a covetor

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