Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ideas have already been proposed and CCP said they would implement them - but then they never did.

1) timer rollbacks when a plex is left

2) let militias know where their complexes are being attacked in real time.

These 2 changes would make stabbed farming less profitable and likely so much less profitable that people would just stop doing it.

This would mean a small group could keep the whole area of faction war from being farmed by stabbed farmers.

The idea of not letting stabbed ships in won't work. They can still move far enough away from the warp in to warp out. If you ever got a point on a stabbed farmer it was probably because they wanted you to. They want you to know that unless you gimp your ship with multiple scrams there is no point in chasing them.

Low sec is a bit different than null sec. There are plenty of players who roam low sec checking plexing and warping to them to find pvp. The better intel tools to know where plexes are being attacked would make this much more efficient (and allot more fun). This means plex rabbits who always run will find they are much less efficient.

If rabbits don't stay then the timer would rollback and they would lose all the time they spent. Hence it would not be feasible to do this anymore and hence people would stop doing it. The people plexing would be those who are ready and willing to actually take a fight. The increase in pvp in plexes would snowball and the change would be monumental.

Rollbacks and intel would make a huge difference for fw sov. That is why the ccp devs who were assigned to fw when they focused on it said they would make these changes. Unfortunately it seems new devs were assigned and it just sort of fell off their radar without a trace. Last they talked about fw it was about changing npcs.




I agree warp core stabs have no point in faction war plexes other than to make rabbit plexing easier. But that doesn't mean removing them will fix rabbit plexing. I don't think it will. I am not necessarily against removing them. Its just that it is an adhoc rule that generally should be avoided. And people will still keep running from one plex to another. And it will still be almost as feasible as it is now.

Think about it if they are not paying attention then you can often blap their ship before they can align out. If they are paying attention they can be warping out before you land on grid. Let alone before you land on grid and burn to get them in point range. Removing warp core stabs won't change things enough to eliminate rabbit plexing. Rollbacks and better intel will.

That said I think we both agree CCP still needs to do something about rabbit plexing.

Just use dscan and roam, I'm not even in any milita and I find it pretty easy to find people in plexes and which ones. Its basic game mechanics that is useful in any pvp. The problem is when you get on grid with someone scram them and they are away warping to a premade safe spot. Most people just give up all together after this has happened a number of times.

In null this isn't really a problem since the majority of people are not using warp core stabs. Using them to farm in fw carries 0 penalty and pretty much allows minimal risk to the person doing the farming. It wasn't always like this afew years ago.

nothing wrong with stabs

pvp isn't just about killing the other guy it's about achieving your goals if your goal is to get away you win if you get away


stabs are also easy to counter most ships can not fit enough to ward off 2 scrams so just fut double scram to deal with them



ppl complaining about stabbs are the ones who think they are entitled to a kill or at the very least the kind of fight THEY want

except working up plex time is currently an important tool when flipping a system

As a neutral in FW systems it used to tick me off, but you can't blame them:

1. It's the actual mechanic in FW to force system change
2. It provides income

Point 1 alone is enough to appreciate that farming is needed in FW. I always get to enjoy being a third party when systems get close to flipping and the militias fight over them, so I should be able to tolerate the grind they have to go through to reach those points.

Thats where you lost me :)

But seriously if you want to play hide and seek there are plenty of ways to do that in eve. You can run the fw missions and other missions in low or null sec. You can rat in low null and whs. You can do exploration etc etc.

There is no reason FW sov needs to be yet another hide and seek game. But EVE lacks a real throw down war mechanic. If CCP ever did follow through with the 2 changes (rollbacks and real time intel on plexes) then FW would gradually attract more and more pvpers and you would eventually see a massive increase in the amount of pvp per plex captured. The variety of fights that can occur due to plex mechanics would mean that the pvp is fresh and interesting. - and not blob warfare like nuill sec. Faction war would finally be what it was meant to be - a huge bloody mess of a war that wages constantly.

Fit 2 scram and laugh at them as they rage in local that you hacked the game to point their stabbed ship.

If plex farming LP and the ISK it can be converted to is the issue then why not change the complexes themselves why mess up a group of modules that are reasonably well balanced in all other areas of the game?

That may be but it is extremely minor compared with the overall problem of rabbit plexing ruining fw sov. So yes you will need to sit in the plex for the full number of minutes before you start your bash.