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LvL 4 Security Missions

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Admiral Kroma
Black Sails Fleet
#1 - 2017-01-29 07:42:34 UTC
So finally made it to the LvL 4 grind and so far im loving it...the only problem is that is taking me forever to clear the missions.

Currently using a Megathron fitted with rails, can shoot almost everything from range but the damage applied is very low and it takes me an hour per mission or more. My biggest mistake is that I only trained for hybrid turrets and gallente ships.

Should i continue to train towards gallente battleships? or does anyone recommends a better and faster clear ship for such missions?

Any advice would help.....thank you in advance and fly safe!!! o7
Digital Messiah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-01-29 09:38:29 UTC
First post the fit you are currently using, second Gallente are great for PVE. Rails are therm / kin locked but if you fly missions in caldari or gallente space you will mostly face rats that are weak to it. There are some very good gallente ships for both PVE and PVP and the battleships specifically Vindicator are highly desired for VG and HQ incursions. The Issue you are facing is most likely in your fitting or skills needing to be tuned up a little bit. Don't get discouraged though, level 4's are doable in a lot of things, hell even some frigs can manage. That however doesn't mean it wont take a great deal of time.

Something clever

Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
#3 - 2017-01-29 11:17:37 UTC
Your best bet would be either the Machariel(ACs) or Barghest (RHML or Cruise).

Other good candidates is the Rattlesnake or Navy Typhoon.

Marauders are pretty decent but realistically the Vargur is the most adaptable with the Golem in second, primarily due to application issues against smaller ships.

Amarr ships generally do well in Sansha / Blood Raider only space, not as good outside of it.

After that ships like the Dominix, Tengu, Tempest, Raven and many of the other BBs do OK.

While rails/blasters are not really the best weapon system for PvE, you should be able to use the Gallente BB training on some of the Pirate hulls and the gunnery support skills are useful on the Mach.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden
#4 - 2017-01-29 19:59:40 UTC
You're a 2 month old character. Stop rushing it. You almost certainly don't have anywhere near the skills to be doing 4's in a bs.

Drop back down to a bc, spend some time training your core skills, and grind 3's in the meantime.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#5 - 2017-01-29 20:43:34 UTC
mega should be fine, hype or domi might be a bit better, but if lv4s are taking an hour it points to huge skill problems.

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2017-01-30 04:12:18 UTC
Keep running L4's, having someone else fighting along side you will speed things up
check out

help my mission (channel & web page)



focus your skill training first though
only train skills that improve the ship and modules attached to it
level 4 will be enough for most things
unless you need a 5 to access another skill that your fit needs

work on application (base tracking & + tracking mods)
then do propulsion & tank
then do damage (raw dps & + damage mods)
then worry about utility (drones etc)

Wombat65Au Egdald
R I S E
#7 - 2017-01-30 04:15:16 UTC
I'm inclined to agree with the others who are saying your skills are probably a bit weak for L4's at the moment.

Flying Gallente ships with hybrid turrets isn't the problem. Gallente have some very solid ships.

Without knowing your skill levels or your fit, it's really hard to give useful tips on how to improve.

On the other hand, if you want details of what you need to do in each mission, look here: http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports
Admiral Kroma
Black Sails Fleet
#8 - 2017-01-30 04:17:45 UTC
The Bigpuns wrote:
You're a 2 month old character. Stop rushing it. You almost certainly don't have anywhere near the skills to be doing 4's in a bs.

Drop back down to a bc, spend some time training your core skills, and grind 3's in the meantime.



skill injectors......and yes i have the skills....currently at 8.0 standing doing lvl 4....just taking a bit longer
Kethen T'val
The Seer Covenant
Ikusaro
#9 - 2017-01-30 07:20:53 UTC
Generally, you did pick the worst weapon system. Blasters lacks range against most rats and even against angels you will have to propmod alot to get into range due to the initial position of those rats. Rails have DPS issues.

Train T2 sentries and the Domi will serve you well. Still not the fastest. If you are gonna stick to Hybrids you will have to make use of sentries to get to a respectable lvl of DPS. In that case you will be better off with the Hyperion.

Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Federation Uprising
#10 - 2017-01-30 09:20:34 UTC
sorry to hijack this post, but can this loki fit do L4 missions in hisec for NPC corp standing improvements?

[Loki, [OMG] Loki - T2 V1.0]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Cap Recharger II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Explosive Deflection Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Medium Shield Booster II
10MN Afterburner II

650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot M

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

Just Add Water

Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
#11 - 2017-01-30 11:52:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Well first problem is you're mixing active and passive tanks. Rigs and Amps need to go / be replaced. You'll be better off with two specific active hardeners depending on mission. You are also using an armor subsystem on a shield tanked ship. The damage control adds very little extra tank, basically pointless. You're not using a cheap DEDspace shield repper either or a faction/DEDspace AB. Your DPS is pretty bad and you're using the wrong offensive subsystem, no drones and also wrong ammo type. Arties can work but ACs are probably better. Still we'll go with arties for this.

So your fit has 242 dps (363 dps with correct ammo) and 178 omni ehp/s tank and is cap stable. This is borderline for most lv4s and might not be enough for some.

The below fit has 577 dps and 300 omni ehp/s tank and is cap stable. Also has drones. Fit is probably not perfect but I'd start with this and adjust as needed. you can boost dps a bit more with faction gyros. If you don't have PG swap out a rig for more. The Burst Aerator adds very little in the way of dps. Could even replace for more application.

[Loki, new]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Large Cap Battery II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster

650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
[Empty High slot]

Medium Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

Hobgoblin II x5

PS. I built this with PYFA and not with EFT that I'm way more familiar with in case I did a dumb.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Federation Uprising
#12 - 2017-01-30 12:01:16 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Well first problem is you're mixing active and passive tanks. Rigs and Amps need to go / be replaced. You'll be better off with two specific active hardeners depending on mission. You are also using an armor subsystem on a shield tanked ship. The damage control adds very little extra tank, basically pointless. You're not using a cheap DEDspace shield repper either or a faction/DEDspace AB. Your DPS is pretty bad and you're using the wrong offensive subsystem, no drones and also wrong ammo type. Arties can work but ACs are probably better. Still we'll go with arties for this.

So your fit has 242 dps (363 dps with correct ammo) and 178 omni ehp/s tank and is cap stable. This is borderline for most lv4s and might not be enough for some.

The below fit has 577 dps and 300 omni ehp/s tank and is cap stable. Also has drones. Fit is probably not perfect but I'd start with this and adjust as needed. you can boost dps a bit more with faction gyros. If you don't have PG swap out a rig for more. The Burst Aerator adds very little in the way of dps. Could even replace for more application.

[Loki, new]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Large Cap Battery II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster

650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
[Empty High slot]

Medium Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

Hobgoblin II x5

PS. I built this with PYFA and not with EFT that I'm way more familiar with in case I did a dumb.


so ill snipe things with this right? the reason i used the armor subsys is for the slot. Lol

anyway, thank you so much! o7

Just Add Water

Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
#13 - 2017-01-30 12:16:12 UTC
Well use AB to get to 15km, turn off AB and orbit. Use drones against frigates. Remember to use mission specific hardeners/ammo (use phased for Kin weak enemies). Most important skills to get is the subsystem skills to 5.

With ACs you could get up to 700dps, just orbit at 5km. Heck you could do some weird frankenstein AC/HAM combo monstrosity with a mix of medium and light drones for 810dps. See what works the best for you.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

aldhura
Iron Sails
#14 - 2017-01-30 17:30:50 UTC
Admiral Kroma wrote:
So finally made it to the LvL 4 grind and so far im loving it...the only problem is that is taking me forever to clear the missions.

Currently using a Megathron fitted with rails, can shoot almost everything from range but the damage applied is very low and it takes me an hour per mission or more. My biggest mistake is that I only trained for hybrid turrets and gallente ships.

Should i continue to train towards gallente battleships? or does anyone recommends a better and faster clear ship for such missions?

Any advice would help.....thank you in advance and fly safe!!! o7


Post your fit. Its probably just a skills thing.
The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden
#15 - 2017-01-30 19:53:44 UTC
Admiral Kroma wrote:
The Bigpuns wrote:
You're a 2 month old character. Stop rushing it. You almost certainly don't have anywhere near the skills to be doing 4's in a bs.

Drop back down to a bc, spend some time training your core skills, and grind 3's in the meantime.



skill injectors......and yes i have the skills....currently at 8.0 standing doing lvl 4....just taking a bit longer


Ah yes, the skill injector, the source of many a noobwhine.

Clearly you haven't spent enough cash on the game yet, cos even with all your 1337 sk1ll5, you can't do the most basic PvE content the game has to offer in a reasonable timeframe.

If you aren't going to take advice (a), then advice (b) is: spend more = instant better.

Also read some guides. Eve Uni do some excellent ones on damage application, tracking and the like, which may make a huge difference to your understanding of game mechanics. If you're new to Eve, there's a lot going on under the hood. If you want to compare Eve to other MMO's, Eve would be the Delorian from Back to the Future, the rest would be Tonka Toys(tm).
Admiral Kroma
Black Sails Fleet
#16 - 2017-01-31 04:51:31 UTC
aldhura wrote:
Admiral Kroma wrote:
So finally made it to the LvL 4 grind and so far im loving it...the only problem is that is taking me forever to clear the missions.

Currently using a Megathron fitted with rails, can shoot almost everything from range but the damage applied is very low and it takes me an hour per mission or more. My biggest mistake is that I only trained for hybrid turrets and gallente ships.

Should i continue to train towards gallente battleships? or does anyone recommends a better and faster clear ship for such missions?

Any advice would help.....thank you in advance and fly safe!!! o7


Post your fit. Its probably just a skills thing.



how can i post the fit that im using here?
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Federation Uprising
#17 - 2017-01-31 05:05:29 UTC
Admiral Kroma wrote:
aldhura wrote:
Admiral Kroma wrote:
So finally made it to the LvL 4 grind and so far im loving it...the only problem is that is taking me forever to clear the missions.

Currently using a Megathron fitted with rails, can shoot almost everything from range but the damage applied is very low and it takes me an hour per mission or more. My biggest mistake is that I only trained for hybrid turrets and gallente ships.

Should i continue to train towards gallente battleships? or does anyone recommends a better and faster clear ship for such missions?

Any advice would help.....thank you in advance and fly safe!!! o7


Post your fit. Its probably just a skills thing.



how can i post the fit that im using here?


https://o.smium.org

save it there and then export. you can also use PYFA and EFT but you need to download and install it in your PC first.

Just Add Water

Admiral Kroma
Black Sails Fleet
#18 - 2017-01-31 05:25:26 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Admiral Kroma wrote:
aldhura wrote:
Admiral Kroma wrote:
So finally made it to the LvL 4 grind and so far im loving it...the only problem is that is taking me forever to clear the missions.

Currently using a Megathron fitted with rails, can shoot almost everything from range but the damage applied is very low and it takes me an hour per mission or more. My biggest mistake is that I only trained for hybrid turrets and gallente ships.

Should i continue to train towards gallente battleships? or does anyone recommends a better and faster clear ship for such missions?

Any advice would help.....thank you in advance and fly safe!!! o7


Post your fit. Its probably just a skills thing.



how can i post the fit that im using here?


https://o.smium.org

save it there and then export. you can also use PYFA and EFT but you need to download and install it in your PC first.


ok......dont know if the link works but thats a pretty good site....been using eve uni for fits but i think they havent updated that one at all

this is the fit that im using, i know im training for T2 turrets at the moment....any advice can help if i need to change anything

https://o.smium.org/new/4493904584808333312
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Federation Uprising
#19 - 2017-01-31 05:46:32 UTC
Admiral Kroma wrote:


ok......dont know if the link works but thats a pretty good site....been using eve uni for fits but i think they havent updated that one at all

this is the fit that im using, i know im training for T2 turrets at the moment....any advice can help if i need to change anything

https://o.smium.org/new/4493904584808333312


you can make an account in that site or you could just login via EvE SSO.

Just Add Water

Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#20 - 2017-01-31 20:18:58 UTC
Admiral Kroma wrote:
So finally made it to the LvL 4 grind and so far im loving it...the only problem is that is taking me forever to clear the missions.

Currently using a Megathron fitted with rails, can shoot almost everything from range but the damage applied is very low and it takes me an hour per mission or more. My biggest mistake is that I only trained for hybrid turrets and gallente ships.

Should i continue to train towards gallente battleships? or does anyone recommends a better and faster clear ship for such missions?

Any advice would help.....thank you in advance and fly safe!!! o7


If you want to stay with your Gallente-ships, there are possibilities:

1. Use a Hyperion, it has a local rep bonus, so you can either go closer with your rails (more damage), or go all-out brawling fit with blasters and drones.

2. Maybe a Navy Megathron? Or try active tank / brawling fits with the normal Megathron, or with the Navy Megathron.

3. If your skills allow it: Dominix or Navy Dominix, use sentries/rails for long-range, heavy drone / blasters, or a more mellow rail / drone support fit.

Other things of note: If you have a MJD for range control, you can concentrate more on DPS/damage application and jump yourself out of trouble if your cap or tank caves in. Use it! If you can't, learn the skill immediately, your future mission running will thank you.

This also means you don't need perfect cap every time, just enough to stay in the fight for a while. Stay in optimal range and shoot, take in your drones and jump when cap/tank go down. Rep up, cap up, jump back in. (Or more likely, start shooting at the rats already creeping into range.)
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