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To: The Developers (Need Mining Ship Protection From Human Players)
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Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2017-01-26 19:44:42 UTC
If only there were other players in the game you could pay to help protect your ships while you mine.

*sigh*

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2017-01-26 20:18:45 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
what you are looking for is called friends. you can get these though isk though most just get them by being a relatively likable person


You will more than likely need to shove ISK down people's pocket to get them to guard you in a belt...
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#23 - 2017-01-26 20:44:33 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
what you are looking for is called friends. you can get these though isk though most just get them by being a relatively likable person


You will more than likely need to shove ISK down people's pocket to get them to guard you in a belt...

Yeah. I wouldn't even do it for an alt unless I was paid. Pretty boring gameplay.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#24 - 2017-01-26 20:44:53 UTC
The funny part is that a big honkin ship is not going to save an untanked ship that **is not designed for combat**

If you want to counter gankers, you gave to take a page out of their playbook and/or find the direct counter of it.
see:
- you want to over tank your ship so that it is "not profitable" or "requires too much effort" or "we don't have enough people" to gank.
- you want to have "guards" in cheap, VERY fast locking, and high volley ships to nuke anyone who goes criminal (or is already an outlaw)
- you stay vigilant (hint: with friends around, it only takes 1 of you to alert the rest) and bug out where danger is detected

How did you Veterans start?
Van Doe
#25 - 2017-01-26 21:30:53 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
The funny part is that a big honkin ship is not going to save an untanked ship that **is not designed for combat**

If you want to counter gankers, you gave to take a page out of their playbook and/or find the direct counter of it.
see:
- you want to over tank your ship so that it is "not profitable" or "requires too much effort" or "we don't have enough people" to gank.
- you want to have "guards" in cheap, VERY fast locking, and high volley ships to nuke anyone who goes criminal (or is already an outlaw)
- you stay vigilant (hint: with friends around, it only takes 1 of you to alert the rest) and bug out where danger is detected


You dont need to volley them. And don't need a fast locking ship.
As soon a catalyst or trasher hits the belt lock them with a griffin.
Most likely they get scared and warp off again.
If not and they try to. Ecm the crap aut of them as soon they turn criminal and let space police do the rest.

Alternative you could remote rep rhe targeted barge

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#26 - 2017-01-26 21:42:56 UTC
You should fly into a blobb of Skiffs somewhere in nullsec all with their drones out and go for tackle. Then tell us how that went.

Nothing can go wrong and you will (be) get content.

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This is the law of ship progression!

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#27 - 2017-01-27 00:18:24 UTC
I can see why you'd struggle to defend yourself when you're trying to play on 53 characters at once. Maybe condense your multi boxing and you can defend yourself more intelligently.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2017-01-27 02:09:47 UTC
Fifty Three wrote:
On further thought, perhaps a better solution is to increase the Hitpoints of the mining and cargo ships significantly. Also, could give option of a "Anti Warp disruption system" to put in the cargo hold, or install in a medium slot,maybe rig, to allow the Mining and Cargo ships to warp out to safety if under warp prevention influence by a big enemy fighting ship. As said, We have nothing to fight back at them with mining and cargo ship, so Passive systems like these will certainly help us survive.

All combat ships are in need of cargo hold rebalance.
Did you know exploration frigates have larger cargo holds than the harbinger? Frigates and cruisers should have significantly smaller holds than ships significantly larger.

The current industrial transport ships would be increased slightly for more room at higher risk and if you want to transport small to moderate cargo or something you'd use a combat ship as an armed transport. Like the old exequror but larger scale. No reason for a gnosis to have a larger cargo hold than battleships and have frigates with more space than battlecruisers. Harbinger is 375 for reference.

Frigates should get 0-400 like they currently do. Cruisers scale it up to 500-900
Battlecruisers get bigger to 1000-1500, and battleships to 2000s and you keep seeing it increase.
It's kind of silly when yiu look at it currently. An itty bitty t1 industrial at level 1 Indy has more cargo space than a big dreadnought.
Look at the size difference. How does a battleship only have a few hundred m3 more space despite being 50times.

130m3 F Condor
130m3 F Tormentor
135m3 F Punisher
140m3 F Rifter
165m3 F Incursis
175m3 F Breacher
250m3 F Vigil
260m3 F Griffin
260m3 F Burst
265m3 F Crucifier
270m3 F Bantam
275m3 F Maulus
280m3 F Navitas
300m3 D Dragoon
305m3 C Blackbird
315m3 C Bellicose
320m3 C Celestis
345m3 C Arbitrator
350m3 D Algos
375m3 D Coercer
375m3 Bc Harbinger
380m3 C Orthrus
400m3 F Heron*
400m3 F Probe*
400m3 F Imicus*
400m3 F Magnate*
400m3 D Thrasher
400m3 D Talwar
400m3 C Omen
400m3 C Cynabal
400m3 Bc Prophecy
400m3 Bc Myrmidon
410m3 C Phantasm
420m3 C Stabber
425m3 Bc Hurricane
425m3 D Cormorant
450m3 D Corax
450m3 D Catalyst
450m3 C Rupture
450m3 C Caracal
450m3 C Moa
450m3 Bc Cyclone
450m3 Bc Drake
465m3 C Scythe
465m3 C Thorax
465m3 C Augoror
475m3 Bc Brutix
475m3 Bc Ferox
480m3 C Vexor
480m3 C Maller
485m3 C Osprey
495m3 C Exequror
500m3 Bc Oracle
525m3 B Abaddon
535m3 Bc Tornado
550m3 B Maelstrom
550m3 B Scorpion
575m3 Bc Naga
600m3 Bc Talos
600m3 B Tempest
600m3 B Dominix
600m3 B Armagedon
625m3 B Typhoon
625m3 B Rokh
665m3 B Raven
665m3 B Nightmare
675m3 B Apocalypse
675m3 B Hyperion
675m3 B Megathron

Actually started making a list a while back on this but i stopped when I got to carriers and pirate faction ships.
A 125m3 difference between frigate and battleship size is absurd.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#29 - 2017-01-27 02:34:40 UTC
A van has more cargo space than a tank...

Haulers sacrifice all their features for cargo space, combat ships have all their features maximised at the expense of cargo space. It never surprised me that non-combat frigs have more cargo space than combat battle cruisers.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2017-01-27 11:04:50 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
what you are looking for is called friends. you can get these though isk though most just get them by being a relatively likable person


You will more than likely need to shove ISK down people's pocket to get them to guard you in a belt...

Yeah. I wouldn't even do it for an alt unless I was paid. Pretty boring gameplay.


Turns out a lot of miners think people will hang around for hours on end to guard them, I literally could not sell them combat and logi capable mining bargesStraight
Lugh Crow-Slave
#31 - 2017-01-27 11:08:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
what you are looking for is called friends. you can get these though isk though most just get them by being a relatively likable person


You will more than likely need to shove ISK down people's pocket to get them to guard you in a belt...

Yeah. I wouldn't even do it for an alt unless I was paid. Pretty boring gameplay.


Turns out a lot of miners think people will hang around for hours on end to guard them, I literally could not sell them combat and logi capable mining bargesStraight


IKR?

what's amazing is they will do things in the area and can almost always make it in time if you actually tank you ships. use a god damn proc rather than your mack and you will find you can kill most things smaller than a cruiser if you manage your drones.


i find it amazing that i can have people regularly mining in LS yet people can't even seem to manage HS. here is another tip use D-scan and warp off if you see a cat at 1au. ofc this means you can't be afk

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Lugh Crow-Slave
#32 - 2017-01-27 11:13:50 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Fifty Three wrote:
On further thought, perhaps a better solution is to increase the Hitpoints of the mining and cargo ships significantly. Also, could give option of a "Anti Warp disruption system" to put in the cargo hold, or install in a medium slot,maybe rig, to allow the Mining and Cargo ships to warp out to safety if under warp prevention influence by a big enemy fighting ship. As said, We have nothing to fight back at them with mining and cargo ship, so Passive systems like these will certainly help us survive.

All combat ships are in need of cargo hold rebalance.
Did you know exploration frigates have larger cargo holds than the harbinger? Frigates and cruisers should have significantly smaller holds than ships significantly larger.

The current industrial transport ships would be increased slightly for more room at higher risk and if you want to transport small to moderate cargo or something you'd use a combat ship as an armed transport. Like the old exequror but larger scale. No reason for a gnosis to have a larger cargo hold than battleships and have frigates with more space than battlecruisers. Harbinger is 375 for reference.

Frigates should get 0-400 like they currently do. Cruisers scale it up to 500-900
Battlecruisers get bigger to 1000-1500, and battleships to 2000s and you keep seeing it increase.
It's kind of silly when yiu look at it currently. An itty bitty t1 industrial at level 1 Indy has more cargo space than a big dreadnought.
Look at the size difference. How does a battleship only have a few hundred m3 more space despite being 50times.

130m3 F Condor
130m3 F Tormentor
135m3 F Punisher
140m3 F Rifter
165m3 F Incursis
175m3 F Breacher
250m3 F Vigil
260m3 F Griffin
260m3 F Burst
265m3 F Crucifier
270m3 F Bantam
275m3 F Maulus
280m3 F Navitas
300m3 D Dragoon
305m3 C Blackbird
315m3 C Bellicose
320m3 C Celestis
345m3 C Arbitrator
350m3 D Algos
375m3 D Coercer
375m3 Bc Harbinger
380m3 C Orthrus
400m3 F Heron*
400m3 F Probe*
400m3 F Imicus*
400m3 F Magnate*
400m3 D Thrasher
400m3 D Talwar
400m3 C Omen
400m3 C Cynabal
400m3 Bc Prophecy
400m3 Bc Myrmidon
410m3 C Phantasm
420m3 C Stabber
425m3 Bc Hurricane
425m3 D Cormorant
450m3 D Corax
450m3 D Catalyst
450m3 C Rupture
450m3 C Caracal
450m3 C Moa
450m3 Bc Cyclone
450m3 Bc Drake
465m3 C Scythe
465m3 C Thorax
465m3 C Augoror
475m3 Bc Brutix
475m3 Bc Ferox
480m3 C Vexor
480m3 C Maller
485m3 C Osprey
495m3 C Exequror
500m3 Bc Oracle
525m3 B Abaddon
535m3 Bc Tornado
550m3 B Maelstrom
550m3 B Scorpion
575m3 Bc Naga
600m3 Bc Talos
600m3 B Tempest
600m3 B Dominix
600m3 B Armagedon
625m3 B Typhoon
625m3 B Rokh
665m3 B Raven
665m3 B Nightmare
675m3 B Apocalypse
675m3 B Hyperion
675m3 B Megathron

Actually started making a list a while back on this but i stopped when I got to carriers and pirate faction ships.
A 125m3 difference between frigate and battleship size is absurd.



it couldn't be because larger holds would be extreemly OP when it comes to things like cap boosters could it? just look at how strong the marauders become with that cargo hold. They would not last very long if they couldn't keep their tank running.

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
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