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How is the New EVE store even worse than the old one?

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#41 - 2017-01-25 07:48:32 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
I'm not a businessman, Jacques, but could it be a 'chicken-and-egg' situation (or do I mean 'Catch-22')?

If they don't have the sales volumes they can't get attractive pricing, and they won't get those volumes if the prices seem unreasonably high (postage included)..

Looked at it, but like other folks it just didn't have that 'must-have' pull about it. An earlier comment suggested to me that someone in the company might have said ' we must have a merchandise store' or 'the players are bellyaching for a merch store', without giving it much more than business-model thought.

Another thing is that EVE's players seem generally to be quite demanding about quality. If you follow some of the comments about the work of the Art Dept, you'll see what I mean. There's a cost to quality and variety in product creation, and perhaps CCP just don't want to justify the outlay.

Either way, the store is disappointing and didn't make me reach for the plastic. Some of the earlier suggestions in this thread are excellent, but, well, what I said...




Quoting myself since I already had that covered...

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
How to build a sensible online store for branded merchandise:

1) find a partner whose business is custom branded merchandise and sells & delivers it worldwide at competitive rates
2) license your IP brand products to them and co-develop what items you want to brand and how (t-shirts yes, dildos no; ship artwork yes, your devs' mug shots no)
3) ask them to build you, or build it yourself, a storefront microsite for selling the custom apparel branded with your IP, based on the backend code they already use for operating their business
4) charge a royalty fee for each print/embroid of your IP and let professionals bother with production, storage and delivery of the item
5) relax & profit

When you need to travel to a city with no regular air links, you don't start by finding someone who can build an airplane for you while you take flight lessons. You just hire a travel agent to charter a flight for you and let the airline bother with the details of actually flying an airplane to your destination in time.

But, who knows?


Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Awww, this is getting interesting!

- the shop itself is created & a maintained through the company Brightstores, which hosts & provides custom storefronts and backend management for corporate stores. So far so good, with plans starting at 145 $ per month, they seem a competent corporate store service

- the assets in the store are designed and manufactured by Development Plus Inc, an agency specialyzed in game and media custom swag. Maybe you've heard of guys like Rockstar Games, HBO or some Coca Cola Company; those are clients of Development Plus Inc. So certainly there's a solid, competent company behind the design and manufacture of EVE's premium swag.

- what I haven't found, is who stores & delivers the items. My guess is that it could be CCP USA themselves, since Brighstores manages webstores and inventory but no physical items, and DP designs and manufactures the items but doesn't sells them.

So the unprofessional blopper of the EVE Store's shipping prices would be CCP's responsability. The items may not be of everybody's liking and certainly they're priced as what they are, custom designed and manufactured premium swag, but both the design and purchase/inventory process are in the hands of competent professionals.

Of course it's CCP who decides whether they want ordinary swag or premium swag, and simple branding or full fledged design, and whether they use Rixx Javix's awesome artwork or don't, and then EVE nerds will buy it or don't. But the moment someone OK'ed a delivery process that charges 80 dollars to customers for no good reason, all the hard work went down the drain.

Maybe CCP will sort it, maybe don't. They're in a tough place to sign a deal with a parcel service as volume is the op-word for parcel costs and EVE will never generate enough volume. That's why I suggested to sign the deal with someone who already is shipping thousands of items each day and haves a good shipping plan, specially since shipping prices are one of the historical complains about the EVE Store(s).

Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2017-01-25 09:17:02 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:

Quoting myself since I already had that covered...


Thanks Indahmawar - it is important to hammer home that this is essentially about business practice rather than about the products themselves.

There's no doubt that CCP has a Business Manager for its core business - the game. My feeling is that whoever was given the task of setting up the merchandise shop was given very limited means and scope within which to complete the task, and that those means and that scope proved insufficient to meet the demands of a modern gaming community.

I've never bought anything from a game's merchandise shop, and I doubt whether I'm alone in that. There are just some folks who don't want to have the mug, the tee-shirt or the model; put me down as one of those. Which means it's entirely possible that the potential for players to whip out their plastic and spend spend spend - is relatively small.

My gut feeling - and it's only a feeling - is that most of the customers will be Nullsec dwellers, who seem to have a strong sense of (or liking for) 'community' within EVE; WH space and Lowsec folks are likely up there too. Highsec is where you find the ones who probably don't know or care that there is a store.

As you may also know, the residents of Highsec make up over 80% of the player base. I should think CCP's done the maths and adjusted the store budget accordingly.

Again, thanks for pointing out that we were/may have been saying essentially the same things :/ Doesn't hurt to have one's opinion backed up by that of a competent authority (you!) Smile
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2017-01-25 19:13:53 UTC
in totally unrelated news Ali Express has quite a lot of nicely made EVE-related cloth and mouse pads Blink
And they ask very reasonable prices

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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#44 - 2017-01-27 09:03:07 UTC
+1 for old stuff. I'm kicking myself for not getting the guristas hoodie when it was available. That was awesome.

+111!!!!One for forum memes.

A tshirt with this printed all over it would crack me the f*** up:

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CCP Falcon
#45 - 2017-01-28 02:02:46 UTC
Please keep all feedback on the new store to this thread.

Thanks!

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