Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Give me back the ability to kill as much as I used to have, my battletron V sits idle and dust covered.

You are speaking of a [potential] symptom - inflations of various sorts. I am speaking of the core problem - the economic model. Yes, the solution helps change something. And why have 'artificial scarcity?' Why have anything 'artificial' about the economy? Just make it pure market-driven, and sound. Nothing 'artificial.'



So? Happens in real life too. People can stick millions or billions in a bank and never touch it, or die, or whatever. People can bury money and goods, stick money under their mattresses, etc. Also happens in the current economic model of the game. I fail to see how or why this debunks my idea.



I didn't disagree with this, and said as much. I said there were ISK faucets and sinks, and 'goodie' or 'hardware' or 'material' faucets and sinks.



You think we are disagreeing when we aren't. You also are confusing ISK faucets/sinks with 'goodie' or 'hardware' or 'material' faucents/sinks.

Destruction of a ship is a combination of an ISK faucet (if it was insured) and a 'stuff' sink.



I didn't suggest anything different. You are concentrating more on details, and thinking we disagree when we don't. I am concentrating more on 'big picture' here. Point being - of course if an asteroid just sits there forever and is never mined, its ISK should not be reflected in the economy.

Now I have to go to a different quoting style as these forums only allow so many quotes per post (dumb).

"And... hardware dropped by rats? Great idea! How about - I'm just riffing here - what if it dropped in the wreck? Oh, wait. That... that's the exact thing that already happens. Hmmm."

Do you have a point here? If so I apparently missed it.

"And with the bulk of non-faction modules already having bottomed out prices, there's obviously no supply shortage to speak of."

I'm not trying to address a supply shortage. I'm addressing fundamental economic mechanics in the game.

In EVE that isk just sitting there does nothing. Do you really think banks just keep money sitting in a vault if the client doesn't use it? If someone dies IRL, their money stays in the system. If someone quits in EVE, that ISK is essentially destroyed.

EVE's economic model works well for EVE as it is. You really can't compare it to real life.

Okay, forget banks. People can bury money in a hole in the ground. People can bury gold. Land and real estate and buildings can sit vacant and unused for years. Money and valuables can sit in vaults untouched for years. People can uselessly wear gold around their necks. On and on. Same thing.



You can compare anything to anything.

No. Your entire post is just diarrheic drivel. You've proposed a solution to a "problem" you can't even vaguely describe. You seem to lack even an elementary understanding of how the current economy functions, and the rationale you've provided so far is that you saw a chart you didn't understand.

You seem to be desperately avoiding having to actually connect your premise with your "solution" in any cogent manner.

LOL. A supporter of the Federal Reserve System, I guess.

We seriously digress, but the reasons the Gold Standard was scrapped were 1) the USA would have defaulted on gold payments had it not been scrapped, and 2) private bankers wanted the ability to create money out of thin air because it seriously benefits them to have this power.



This very same phenomenon occurs when private bankers have the ability to create money out of thin air.

Ok, I'm a private banker. (note, that's different than the federal reserve). Explain to me how I create money out of thin air right now. This should be good.

Do you believe that, in general, the value of currency in Eve DOES swing around for no good reason other than adjusting the money supply?

The money supply in Eve certainly adjusts. Not unnaturally, adjustments in this money supply cause the value of the money to adjust as well. This is super basic, 'economics 101' stuff.

The Fed is privately owned, and privately run. Far from the Fed being able to do nothing without government interaction, it is quite the opposite. The government can't even audit the Fed. The government can do nothing without Fed interaction.

It is you who honestly doesn't understand it.



Again, I said I was not talking about 'a bank,' I was talking about 'the banks who own the Fed.' That's two different things, do you understand? In this hand, I have 'a bank.' In the other hand, I have 'the banks who own the Fed.' Do you get that one hand does not equal the other hand?

Your question should be how the Fed creates money. My answer to you would be 'look it up.' But does it really matter? The only thing that matters is 'more money is created.' Whether it is simply adding a bunch of zeros to some Fed 'master account balance' in a computer somewhere, or whether it is physically operating a printing press pumping out a bunch of money, whether it is fractional reserve banking, or whether it is something else, the result is the same.