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PVE L4 - Rattlesnake fitting
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Itsuwari Aonoyuki
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-12-21 17:54:26 UTC
Hello capsuleers !

I'm here with my new and shiny Rattlesnake. I plan to make it a steady and efficient L4 runner.

I played around with the Fit simulator ingame, and I found two fits that seems to be efficient enough... but now I don't know which one of these to choose.

Also if you have an alternative option, I'm all ears.

First : this one is cap stable as long as I'm not using the MJD and the Shield Booster. Obviously they are designed to be here "just in case".
I guess it's more of a sniper than anything else, but there's a good deal of DPS.

http://nsa38.casimages.com/img/2016/12/21/161221070925935516.png

[Rattlesnake, Aoyomi II]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Denny Enduring Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Sensor Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


'Integrated' Garde I x2
'Integrated' Hammerhead x5
'Integrated' Ogre x2

Targeting Range Script x1
Scourge Cruise Missile x690
Inferno Cruise Missile x135


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Second possibility : this is one is cap stable... as long as I'm not using the Afterburner.
It's more of a brawler with a good deal of shield regen and tanking, but it can't run away, and there's no bonus for the drones tracking nor for the missiles damages. I guess Ogres and Gardes will suffer against all the small targets...

http://nsa37.casimages.com/img/2016/12/21/16122107092496722.png

[Rattlesnake, Tekina Hebi]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II
Shield Power Relay II
Type-D Restrained Shield Power Relay

100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II
Shield Recharger II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I


'Integrated' Garde I x2
'Integrated' Ogre x2
'Integrated' Hammerhead x5

Targeting Range Script x1
Scourge Cruise Missile x805
Inferno Cruise Missile x135
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#2 - 2016-12-21 17:59:35 UTC
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Itsuwari Aonoyuki
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-12-21 18:04:05 UTC
Which fit is the most efficient ?
Do you have any alternative if both aren't good enough ?

I believe my post was clear enough. o_o
Reileen Kawahara
Bio-Tech Research
#4 - 2016-12-21 19:58:57 UTC
Itsuwari Aonoyuki wrote:


I believe my post was clear enough. o_o


I beleive there are a crap ton of Rattler fits in this forum, have a look.....
Cyclone Organic
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2016-12-21 21:57:42 UTC

  • Buffer tank does a better job but takes more slots sometimes. Since you asked about "the most efficient" way, you may want to fit as many DDU and BCU as possible (actually three for each), so you should organize your defense all with your medium slots. Active tank works fine but you won't be cap stable if you are using T2 or meta modules. Gith boosters are pretty expensive though.
    • I personally go with a XL ASB (use the smallest charge for it). With that being said, you have three slots for resist (varying based on missions), one slot for shield booster, one for MJD and another one for AB or MWD. You can also try Pith brand with cap booster, which makes your new ship able to tank like a BOSS.
  • Rattlesnake is comparatively slower than other BSs, especially Machariel. You may want to fit some warp speed rigs on top of it. Read EVE survival and decide if you need an AB or MWD or MJD or both.
  • I think the aggro mechanism has been changed over time. If you are using a gekko, don't do AFK ratting. Bring a remote shield booster in your base just in case. Elite frigate and cruiser will primarily focus on drones bigger than them.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#6 - 2017-01-14 20:52:40 UTC
Itsuwari Aonoyuki wrote:
Which fit is the most efficient ?
Do you have any alternative if both aren't good enough ?

I believe my post was clear enough. o_o

Get a Marauder.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Kaiden krios
Mangueireiros
#7 - 2017-01-15 12:45:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaiden krios
This was my last fit of the Rattlesnake:

[Rattlesnake, New Setup 1]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier

Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Gistum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Gist B-Type 500MN Microwarpdrive

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Garde II x2
Bouncer II x2

Implants:
Mid-Grade Ascendancy 1-5
CM-605
MP-705
GP-805
TN-905
RL.1005


1600dps with a good application and 3.8 AU/s. This is a good fit for most missions, but you need strong skills on drones and missiles, if isk is the problem swap for some t2 modules and lv3 implants. The ship have a natural strong tank so you dont need so many slots for tank modules, i only recomend more tank slot for missions like the AE Bonus, The Assault, The Bockade, WC (Angels and Serpentis), keep an eye on DScan for possible ganking in the system.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#8 - 2017-01-15 18:07:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Paper DPS... paper. Depending on the NPC type you're going to lose upwards up 25% of stated DPS regardless of how it's applied. Drones miss, drones get damaged (and need to be recalled) and EW wreaks havoc with non-Marauders. With hull bonuses, rigors and several target painters it can be hard to get 100% missile damage application with even a Golem - so this is more than just wishful thinking on a Rattlesnake.

Once upon a time I ran the numbers for various Rattlesnake fits against NPCs and it actually works out to between 1000-1200 applied DPS (overall) on a Rattlesnake, which is really no more than any Faction battleship or Marauder. But it looks good on paper, right...?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Mikael Nolen
Disasterpiece LTD
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2017-01-16 01:52:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Mikael Nolen
[Rattlesnake, Level 4 Rattlesnake]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
100MN Afterburner II
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender

Drone Link Augmentor I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I

Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II



Hobgoblin II x5
Warden II x2
Garde II x2
Bouncer II x2


In my cargo I carry a Mobile Depot, an MTU or 3, a full rack of Shield Power Relays, and a full rack of Warp Core Stabs. Remove damage mods for tank mods as required. If your get tackled and have to gtfo, refit to warp cores. As you start clearing DPS, start putting DPS mods back on. No cap management, just figure out what your break points are (I start @ 70% shields and start removing damage for tank every 10%, 2 at a time.)

Not the fastest, but I enjoy the fact that Im running a passive tanked boat in level 4s, lol. I also have 5% application implants, so that helps with the cruise missile issue some.

Zainou 'Snapshot' Cruise Missiles CM-605
Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Management SM-705
Zainou 'Deadeye' Guided Missile Precision GP-805
Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-905
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005


As I said, not the -best- but I enjoy it.

Pictures for comparison
DPS Fit - https://i.gyazo.com/298434969b08d22fb21380c4eff1fdf8.png

Tank Fit - https://i.gyazo.com/6fb59d842639a7cf4b4a75be55b47d2a.png
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#10 - 2017-01-16 03:13:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Have L4s become so hazardous that one needs a full complement of WCSs? There is little if any damage application with this fit, so I can't see how this is very effective in L4s. The previous fit at least had rigors, omnis, guidance comps and the option of utilizing Precision missiles. As long as you're having fun with it, though...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Mikael Nolen
Disasterpiece LTD
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2017-01-16 03:25:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mikael Nolen
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Have L4s become so hazardous that one needs a full complement of WCSs? There is little if any damage application with this fit, so I can't see how this is very effective in L4s. The previous fit at least had rigors, omnis, guidance comps and the option of utilizing Precision missiles. As long as you're having fun with it, though...



The level 4 isnt what the WCS are for. I use the same fit for c3 WHs and level 5s in low sec with a group. And as far as application goes, if anything smaller than a cruiser has gotten so close that your gardes cant hit them, youre doing something wrong. Applies just fine to BS/BC with listed implants and half decent skills.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#12 - 2017-01-16 04:15:55 UTC
Mikael Nolen wrote:
The level 4 isnt what the WCS are for. I use the same fit for c3 WHs and level 5s in low sec with a group. And as far as application goes, if anything smaller than a cruiser has gotten so close that your gardes cant hit them, youre doing something wrong. Applies just fine to BS/BC with listed implants and half decent skills.

If this is a L5 or wormhole fit or being utilized in a group that's obviously different. My point still stands that this not an ideal setup for solo PvE for L4s and that the previous Rattlesnake fit posted is far superior.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Mikael Nolen
Disasterpiece LTD
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2017-01-16 11:55:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Mikael Nolen
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Mikael Nolen wrote:
The level 4 isnt what the WCS are for. I use the same fit for c3 WHs and level 5s in low sec with a group. And as far as application goes, if anything smaller than a cruiser has gotten so close that your gardes cant hit them, youre doing something wrong. Applies just fine to BS/BC with listed implants and half decent skills.

If this is a L5 or wormhole fit or being utilized in a group that's obviously different. My point still stands that this not an ideal setup for solo PvE for L4s and that the previous Rattlesnake fit posted is far superior.



I acknowledged that already. :) I posted it to give an idea of what alternatives there are to the other fits, ideal or not, and to let him know there are more than solo level 4s that a RS excels in and a fit to consider in those activities as well. After all, the title of the post is not "Most Efficient Rattlesnake Fit", hes just looking for ideas.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#14 - 2017-01-16 17:27:59 UTC
It's a great example of how not to fit your Rattlesnake for L4s.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.