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Do we need Real Money to build Titan and Citadel?

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Celise Katelo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2017-01-15 03:11:56 UTC
If you need to ask such a questions then a Titan will be useless for said person. Hope this helps ShockedPBlink

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Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
#22 - 2017-01-15 03:19:31 UTC
No such thing as real money. Money is a virtual construct. Just digits on a screen.

You do bring up a good point.

Should CCP charge money for a buyable Titan or Citadel?

Maybe lease them out?

So pay $100 and get to lease one for a month, if it gets destroyed then you have to wait 24 hours for another.

Like renting a car, but in space.

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Rogwar Toralen
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#23 - 2017-01-15 03:31:20 UTC
With regards to paying for play, if you can afford it there's absolutely nothing wrong with buying $100 worth of plex from CCP and selling it for isk to buy ships and stuff. Sometimes people's schedules or game play preferences make it worthwhile. It's nice to have that flexibility at times.
Tanuki Kittybeta
Ripperoni in Pepperoni
#24 - 2017-01-15 04:21:44 UTC
well i guess if you want to spend tens of thousands of irl money to plex for a titan, stations and skills for the character, you can. but it will be a funny killmail.
Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2017-01-15 05:42:35 UTC
Sylvia Carpenter wrote:
PAY TO WIN

If you define "winning" by having a Citadel and Titan, than EvE is pay to win. But I believe by the time you get close to even considering to build those, you'll probably know better.

In my opinion EvE is pay to lose more when stuff hits the fan.

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Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2017-01-15 05:45:12 UTC
(doublepost)

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#27 - 2017-01-15 05:57:21 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:

My understanding is that paid subscriptions are still a much larger percentage of their income, though I'm not sure I can validate that view.

In a recent interview (for the Ascension release), CCP Seagull mentioned there are about 400,000 subscribers, but I don't know what percentage are paid with credit card versus PLEXed.


EDIT: and of course, when I want it, I can't find the interview with the 400,000 figure again.

I also don't have the reference, but at some stage there was a figure given out of about 30-40k per month using Plex. So about 10% of subscribed users Plex if that is still accurate.
Beast of Revelations
Multiverse Trading
#28 - 2017-01-15 05:57:39 UTC
Sylvia Carpenter wrote:
So I have been promoting Eve to my friends. I told them that there is no "COINS" in Eve, so basically Eve is not Pay To Win game.
But they said that we still need Real Money to build big things such as Titan and Citadel.
Is that true?


I'm pretty certain that most Titans are not bought by individuals forking out real money to buy them. They are bought by mega-rich (as in 'space rich', not rich in real-life) null-sec corporations. Those corporations control moons and other assets which generate money for them.

I've never PLEXED to buy anything in-game, and neither has anyone I know who plays, but honestly, I'm all for it. Think about it this way. Someone pays real money to buy a PLEX to sell in-game for ISK. Who buys that PLEX, and where does it go? Answer: Another player buys the PLEX in-game, with in-game ISK, and uses it to subscribe his account for another month.

So, people who buy PLEX to sell in-game for ISK are, in fact, buying someone else in the game a subscription. And they are essentially paying someone else to earn ISK in-game, and give it to them in return for a month's subscription.
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
#29 - 2017-01-15 06:04:03 UTC
Akali Mid wrote:
Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win.

Buy plex with irl money, sell plex for isk, buy citadel, buy titan.


What else is there to talk about.


You can do that, but it doesn't mean you win. It only means you have a shiny toy for someone and a few hundred of their friends to blap. The game is not pay-to-win, not even close, if spending more money doesn't guarantee victory. which owning a Titan/Citadel does not do. Additionally, you don't win EVE. EVE wins you.

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Sethyrh Nakrar
#30 - 2017-01-15 12:15:12 UTC
I for an instance love battleships. So I collect and use them. I don´t care about caps and supercaps.
I also don´t care about owning a citadel either, because since the corp has one, I damn well know how expensive that thing can be.
Its a sandbox,......

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Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
#31 - 2017-01-15 12:37:28 UTC
Hir Miriel wrote:
No such thing as real money. Money is a virtual construct. Just digits on a screen.

You do bring up a good point.

Should CCP charge money for a buyable Titan or Citadel?

Maybe lease them out?

So pay $100 and get to lease one for a month, if it gets destroyed then you have to wait 24 hours for another.

Like renting a car, but in space.


How often do you get somebody coming out to wreck your car just because it's there?

Compare with Titan and Citadel, which are high investment items that are destructible.

Not to mention frankly, Titans and Citadels are bloody useless for anything short of Alliance-level activities anyway. Titans can't really navigate anywhere well without the aid of someone with a cynosural beacon and they are too slow to evade hordes of other players flying ships that they will have trouble tracking. Citadels are extremely time and resource-consuming massive objects that will require frequent maintenance by the player, maintenance that takes time away from doing other things like, I don't know, shoot the other guy three systems over in the face.

Why the heck do you want to have these as a solo player?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
#32 - 2017-01-15 12:47:43 UTC
While I can imagine that you can get a Keepstar and a Titan by throwing money at the game, I don't see the point. Not only are those intended to be built by organized groups, they also are only useful to groups as well.

If as a single player or handful of players you opt to spend a buttload of money to buy a Keepstar and a Titan, you will have a hard time using them for anything, and you will probably loose them rather quickly.
Sylvia Carpenter
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2017-01-15 12:51:27 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
[quote=Hir Miriel]No such thing as real money. Money is a virtual construct. Just digits on a screen.

Compare with Titan and Citadel, which are high investment items that are destructible.

Not to mention frankly, Titans and Citadels are bloody useless for anything short of Alliance-level activities anyway. Titans can't really navigate anywhere well without the aid of someone with a cynosural beacon and they are too slow to evade hordes of other players flying ships that they will have trouble tracking. Citadels are extremely time and resource-consuming massive objects that will require frequent maintenance by the player, maintenance that takes time away from doing other things like, I don't know, shoot the other guy three systems over in the face.

Why the heck do you want to have these as a solo player?


That is a very good point Elmund. Make sense. Thanks. I will explain that to my friends.
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#34 - 2017-01-15 13:18:16 UTC
One quick point about PLEX is that it is an item which is sold to other players. When you sell a plex for isk to build a titan, that isk was earned by an actual player. There is no way to pay CCP for isk which wasn't ready in the game.

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Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
#35 - 2017-01-15 14:18:06 UTC
Sylvia Carpenter wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
[quote=Hir Miriel]No such thing as real money. Money is a virtual construct. Just digits on a screen.

Compare with Titan and Citadel, which are high investment items that are destructible.

Not to mention frankly, Titans and Citadels are bloody useless for anything short of Alliance-level activities anyway. Titans can't really navigate anywhere well without the aid of someone with a cynosural beacon and they are too slow to evade hordes of other players flying ships that they will have trouble tracking. Citadels are extremely time and resource-consuming massive objects that will require frequent maintenance by the player, maintenance that takes time away from doing other things like, I don't know, shoot the other guy three systems over in the face.

Why the heck do you want to have these as a solo player?


That is a very good point Elmund. Make sense. Thanks. I will explain that to my friends.


In most other MMOs, the bigger the thing the better it is. In Eve Online, things are a lot more complex.

Sure, big things are pretty impressive in Eve Online. However, the big things tend to require alot more support due to, you know, being big and therefore a huge target. Big things need friends, probably many, many friends, to watch over them so that they can throw their weight around without getting blobbed by a couple hundred buzzing little things with their little guns. In nearly every case, the bigger the thing, the bigger the support it is going to need. As such, big things only really shine in big alliances.

In the hands of solo or small-group players, big things are big coffins. They do not have the kind of numbers to support and to keep their big things safe so that they can throw their weight around without getting blobbed by a couple hundred buzzing little things with their little guns. For solo or small-group, smaller is probably much more worth the trouble because smaller things have a much easier time staying away from the couple hundred buzzing little things and, in the right hands, pick them off and stay away from the bulk of their numbers.

Not to mention it's much easier to replace the small things than the big things anyway.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

TigerXtrm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2017-01-15 14:41:32 UTC
Akali Mid wrote:
Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win.

Buy plex with irl money, sell plex for isk, buy citadel, buy titan.


What else is there to talk about.


A Titan or a Citadel won't make you win the game. In f act, it will probably make you lose much faster.

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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2017-01-15 15:25:42 UTC
Sylvia Carpenter wrote:
Akali Mid wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
[quote=Sylvia Carpenter][quote=Akali Mid]Yes, this game is 100% pay2 win.

The vast majority of people do just play normally. Are there some who buy with real money? Maybe. They'd be a tiny tiny minority.



Yea like every fuking plex you buy with isk to sub your shity account is from that people.
EVERY single plex on the market subbing poor ignorant people accounts is from that people.

"a tiny tiny minority"

Most likely if it wasnt for all that people selling plex for isk you wouldnt even be playing this game, let alone mining to buy a titan.
Fuking ignorant.


You mean PLEX contributes significantly to EVE survival as a game? Is there any data on how much PLEX bought with Real Money?

P.S. Why are you angry?
some People have the money to play the game but not much time to grind for ingame money so they sub and buy Plex to make the most fun out of their limited time. Others have a lot of time to make Isk but not much real money. So they make the Isk ingame and sell it for game time aka Plex. Both sides get served. And it doesn't say a thing about the skills of someone.
P2W has nothing to do with it. Titans and Supercarriers are good but rarely used. And getting the money even for other shiny ships is not so hard.
And the value calculations are even wrong because you can make a lot more then 1.2B Isk. Price of a Plex at the moment, in a month.
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#38 - 2017-01-15 20:33:10 UTC
Depends on what effort they want to put in.

Building things (only paying for your sub) isn't a real problem. I could build a citadel if i wanted to, but the problem isn't building but defending the damn thing! Lol

Gr.

P.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#39 - 2017-01-15 20:47:15 UTC
Sylvia Carpenter wrote:
So I have been promoting Eve to my friends. I told them that there is no "COINS" in Eve, so basically Eve is not Pay To Win game.
But they said that we still need Real Money to build big things such as Titan and Citadel.
Is that true?


No.
Mikael Nolen
Weave
#40 - 2017-01-15 21:39:02 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Akali Mid wrote:
Yea like every fuking plex you buy with isk to sub your shity account is from that people.

EVERY single plex on the market subbing poor ignorant people accounts is from that people.

"a tiny tiny minority"


Most likely if it wasnt for all that people selling plex for isk you wouldnt even be playing this game, let alone mining to buy a titan.

Fuking ignorant.

For some reason I suspect this thread was a lie:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6780398#post6780398

You seem more like an alt than an enthusiastic new player. Probably some sad antiganker's alt.



Thanks for spotting this. I make an effort to help new players and had an eye on this for the last few days. ******* eve players, man. XD
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