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Illindar Tyrannus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-01-14 09:18:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Illindar Tyrannus
So how would quad rep myrmidon be going to far, if you relied on web drones instead of actual web module to close in at which point you could neut target out with mostly small neuts. The freed mid slot is for cap batteries since there's no difference in cap depletion in comparison with cap boosters (3 cap batteries), since it makes for protracted fight with such tank to dps ratio.

The final fit with the webs and large batteries, but 3 reps: https://o.smium.org/loadout/127338
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2017-01-14 09:22:39 UTC
Yeah I imagine that's probably taking it too far.
You're fitting is going to suffer a hell of a lot at that point.

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Illindar Tyrannus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2017-01-14 09:38:27 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Yeah I imagine that's probably taking it too far.
You're fitting is going to suffer a hell of a lot at that point.


Well screw the webs, youre neuting ship. Other than that you're taking out the DMC for more armor resists for the active tank. These are the 2 things of real contention while small neuts aren't significantly inferior to med neuts.
Wombat65Au Egdald
R I S E
#4 - 2017-01-15 05:16:28 UTC
I'm assuming this is not an idea for a solo fit. If this is meant to be a solo fit, you've used up your drones to web a ship, and your high slots are mostly neuts, What do you have left that will do any dps to the target?

One thing to keep in mind with EWAR type drones, one drone is not equal to one ship module that does the same thing. One light webbing drone is not equal to one small webber module, you'll need to use four or five webbing drones to have the same effect as one webbing module fitted to a ship.

So, your drone dps is gimped because you have to use many webber drones to have the same effect on a target ship as one webber module fitted to your ship. You've gimped your ship's turret dps because your high slots are mostly neuts. What do you have left to actually shoot at the target ship and make it go kaboom?

This is not an effective idea for solo play, unless you expect the fights to last a very long time, due to your very low dps. In a group where other players can supply the dps, maybe.
Captain NONECK
Know-Nothings
#5 - 2017-01-15 05:59:19 UTC
I mean personally, I would just buy a set of low-grade armor rep implants and run 3 lol with links and 180 autocannons 4 is just overkilling it and not worth it In my opinion. But I like the way you think sir!
Illindar Tyrannus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2017-01-15 07:04:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Illindar Tyrannus
https://o.smium.org/loadout/127338

I changed some stuff, now with the webs since it's difficult to run without medium neuts which will neut a bit faster so that your traget can't use propulsion.
Illindar Tyrannus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2017-01-15 07:08:26 UTC
Wombat65Au Egdald wrote:
I'm assuming this is not an idea for a solo fit. If this is meant to be a solo fit, you've used up your drones to web a ship, and your high slots are mostly neuts, What do you have left that will do any dps to the target?

One thing to keep in mind with EWAR type drones, one drone is not equal to one ship module that does the same thing. One light webbing drone is not equal to one small webber module, you'll need to use four or five webbing drones to have the same effect as one webbing module fitted to a ship.

So, your drone dps is gimped because you have to use many webber drones to have the same effect on a target ship as one webber module fitted to your ship. You've gimped your ship's turret dps because your high slots are mostly neuts. What do you have left to actually shoot at the target ship and make it go kaboom?

This is not an effective idea for solo play, unless you expect the fights to last a very long time, due to your very low dps. In a group where other players can supply the dps, maybe.


You neut out target, and "Propulsion? NO MORE PROPULSION". So basically give it a couple of cycles until something begins failling on your target (resists/point), and you're golden: take out the dps drones.
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#8 - 2017-01-15 07:21:54 UTC
Firstly, your fit isnt capstable. Which for an endurance fit is horrible, even without the neuts you has sub 3 min cap. What this means is that with your low dps a normal dual rep cruiser will outlast you and eventually kill you.

Secondly, 4 reps are to much. Simply because they dont rep more then 3 reps, take your fit, lose a rep and get a dcu instead, t2 all the other reps and get another aux pump instead of the semi rig - gives you more rep and more cap (and a lot more ehp).

At which point youll arrive at a fit that sort of is a normal triple rep fit, just in a little bit worse.


So, at the end a normal triple rep fit will do more dps, have more ehp and actually rep more.




Also, web drones suck.
Illindar Tyrannus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2017-01-15 11:12:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Illindar Tyrannus
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Firstly, your fit isnt capstable. Which for an endurance fit is horrible, even without the neuts you has sub 3 min cap. What this means is that with your low dps a normal dual rep cruiser will outlast you and eventually kill you.

Secondly, 4 reps are to much. Simply because they dont rep more then 3 reps, take your fit, lose a rep and get a dcu instead, t2 all the other reps and get another aux pump instead of the semi rig - gives you more rep and more cap (and a lot more ehp).

At which point youll arrive at a fit that sort of is a normal triple rep fit, just in a little bit worse.


So, at the end a normal triple rep fit will do more dps, have more ehp and actually rep more.




Also, web drones suck.


Dual rep cruiser will run out out of cap much faster than I will since I at very least will have 2x cap while also eating his cap at positive effeciency. I've already compared both the cap numbers and rep numbers running 3 reps, they're somewhat lower. I imagine I'd at large will kill at target within 2 mins having disable guns for armor brick, disabled resists for brick shields, and anything active tanked.

Feel free to provide fit that remotely accomplishes what my fit does, web drones provide the edge similar to what overheating does or faction ewar does.

PS t2 rigs, how about you trump my fit with doomsday.
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#10 - 2017-01-15 12:27:02 UTC
I literally told you what to do to get your fit in better as a triple rep fit, but since you apparently cant read (i didn't mention t2 rigs once) here you go again :

Replace a rep with a damage control II, replace all reps with t2 ones, replace the semi rig with another aux pump and there you have it, better in every way.
Illindar Tyrannus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2017-01-15 13:45:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Illindar Tyrannus
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
I literally told you what to do to get your fit in better as a triple rep fit, but since you apparently cant read (i didn't mention t2 rigs once) here you go again :

Replace a rep with a damage control II, replace all reps with t2 ones, replace the semi rig with another aux pump and there you have it, better in every way.


That actually turns out to be marginally better, the massive PG of 70 and more so staggered reps aside. My apologies.

and EHP, and compact MWD that you could squeeze in.

Any chance that small neuts for large cap batteries also provide marginal benefit in sight of MWD becoming sub-optimal without cap boosters?