Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Oh FFS. If your members are killed 23/7 by wardecs, it's almost invariably your own damn fault.

The problem is that you want everything without having to compromise on anything.

"I want a 200 man corp of permanently AFK miners sitting within a few jumps of a major trade hub and I don't want to have to even think about security concerns because it's not fair," isn't a reasoned argument.

First of all, the larger wardec-everyone organizations? Yeah, they don't really "go hunting" all that often. They sit in a hub or on the pipes and blap whatever fat, stupid lemming trundles into them face first. There are VAST swaths of high sec - LITERALLY most of high sec - where you can take a good sized corp and go live almost entirely free of any war-related concerns. You just have to compromise on the convenience of living in a high-traffic area.

If you have 500 people flying around high-traffic areas of highsec while under a wardec, whose fault is that? Were they unaware of the wardec? Did they not know what it means? Why didn't they take steps to avoid faceplanting into a hostile force?

To be fair, this sounds eerily familiar to how wardecs currently work. Zero risk.

Likewise.

The main difference between the current wardec mechanics and this proposal is that it isn't the wardec mechanics that limit the risk, it's the players.

This proposal involves eliminating risk from the game right in the mechanics themselves, with unfortunately no real downsides to balance that low risk.

How does they work differently for an attacker or a defender?

This is a good point. Since the proposal is based on the idea of being able to fly under a common banner and function to a degree as a corporation or alliance perhaps making them less desirable as a general option is a good idea. The following ideas are just that, not fine tuned but only presented as possible options to make choosing this new corporation type much less desirable in general and more for its intended purpose.

1) You could only join a fleet with your own members.
2) You could not join a fleet, even of your own members, for certain non-industrial goals like running incursions or security missions.
3) You could still participate in solo activities like running missions you simply couldnt fleet up to do them.
4) You could move from an NPC corp to an industrial corp instantly or from one industrial corp to another instantly but you would have to go through a one week cool-off period before you could join a traditional corporation and during this time you would still be under all the restrictions of being in an industrial corporation. The reverse is also true, if you are in a traditional corporation you would have to go through a one week cool-off period before joining an industrial corporation
5) The corporation is designed mostly to allow you to do things like have a corporate wallet, have corporate offices and the like and other restrictions might be necessary to ensure that choosing to be in and industrial corporation wasnt the go to choice for every corporation or every player.

I mentioned this in an earlier post that fine tuning of the idea would need to be done both before and after industrial corporations were created and the ideas above might represent that type of tuning.

You don't understand the breakable aspect of this. There are official standings and they are marked in colors. all that would happen is that larger meaner entities would move all their industry alts to industry corps and set them blue.

To forestall the next "idea" that you could not set standings with an industry corp, there are already unofficial standings that exist as handshake/gentleman's agreements out of game and are not represented in game for purposes of espionage and reputation.

There seems to be a lot of "saving the phenomenon" happening. The wardec system isn't perfect but being exmept from it would be broken.

here i could have sworn i ran an alliance geared around building up mostly indi corps made by new players. guess i must have dreamed it since such corps cannot be formed now.

because once your combat wing enjoyed the combat they will want to do combat and will drift away from the indy stuff.

that's what happened to my corp (years before i joined), there's even an article about them when they were still an indy corp.

http://www.gameskinny.com/5b56a/exploring-eve-online-4-the-aura-of-aideron-robotics

Restricting them out of structures seem reasonable, the locking them out of going red could be tried and see if serious problems develop or not but i see no problem with it out of hand.