Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Currently most industrial corps in highsec space are not in alliances and are usually small because as soon as more than 20 people form some kind of corp or alliance they are perma-wardeced and it falls apart. Industrialists have bootstrapped solutions like having a central very small (often one man corp) that sets rules down and everyone else is in a solo corp or NPC corp and the entire thing functions as a corp or alliance without actually being one.

I have a saying that has helped me a great deal in life, dont act on what technically could happen but rather what actually does. Technically a corporation could form a huge combat arm to defend its ships but in reality it isnt feasible to do so. This isnt to say that trying to accomplish goals should not be attempted and with respect to the industrial corp / alliance thing some industrialists have made it work. The perma-wardec issue though has prevented most industrialists from forming large corps or even dreaming of forming an alliance.

With this in mind im proposing a new type of corporation / alliance, 'the industrial corp' (placeholder name). This new corporation / alliance (hereafter just refered to as corporation but intended to include a new alliance type as well). Could not wardec anyone, could not have anyone in it that is in a militia, could not join any (official) union with another corp that can wardec.

In return although the corporation could be wardeced, no industrial ship could be aggressed by the wardecing corp or alliance in highsec space. Industrial ships in highsec, wardeced or not, would function as though they were in NPC corps with regards to aggression mechanics (the industrial corp could still set itself to legal / illegal for friendly fire).

CCP would have to define what it considered industrial vs non-industrial ships with regards to this new mechanic. Certainly industrial ships should include mining vessels, and haulling ships but it gets more shady when you talk about ships that have significant combat capability.

All manner of tuning both before and after this change would be required but the effort i believe is worth the time.

it's people like you that give indi corps this "victim" rep. perma war decs really are not that big of an issue so long as you have good leadership. I ran an indi alliance for years and it was rare that we went more than 1 month with out being at war. yet aside from a few newbros losing newbro stuff it hardly effected us at all. We knew how to tell a targeted dec from a random one. We knew how to tell hunters from hub humpers and we knew how to act accordingly. if you are having issues you need a change in leadership. there are areas you can mine that are just to far for most hunters to go and there is no reason to go to a hub with an in corp alt.



as for this idea i like it better than social corps BUT these corps must also not be allowed to anchor any corp structure (i don't even want corp anchored bubbles)

And so it should be in a competitive, open-world game like Eve Online. If you announce to the world you are not going to spend any effort or resources on defence, someone should call you on that and try to take your stuff. Why should you get to devote your efforts 100% to resource generation while I have to spend time, resources and effort providing from my own protection, especially if I can take what you have?

As of the OP, the suggestion seems a little convoluted. All it does is essentially codify the current common practice of using out-of-corp haulers and miners, but at the cost of making two tiers of corps and forcing development of a yet another new special set of engagement rules for highsec. Highsec aggression mechanics are already too complex and hard to understand so I am not sure we need more special cases and exceptions.

There is also the grey area of 'what is an industrial ship?' where I see no easy solution to given some industrial ships do PvP extremely well and non-industrial ships can transport things and fit mining lasers.

If you are going to make another tier of corp or social group, I prefer the 'corp-lite' or the 'societies'. Let players either form a non-corp social group from within the NPC corps, or be able to create their own NPC corp-equivalent player corporations that have all the restrictions of the current NPC corp. Neither of these would grossly change how the current mechanics work but would give some space for players more interested in the social element of the game rather than being competitive.

yes there is

Edit: and this is a bat**** crazy idea , no.

it's unrealistic because it is not the most profitable option (tbh its not even a resonable one with how HS wars work) you are better off just putting your miners out of harms way in an NPC corp and your mission runners into 1 man corps


but as i said before decent leadership removes the need for either

but you can and so many do

so no downside at all

How would they mission run and also be protecting ships 23/7 ?

Making large corps so they can be wardeced isnt going to be cheaper it will be more expensive when your members are dying 23/7. This is the problem only now on steroids.

What need to station traders have for my suggestion, absolutely zero.

while im willing to discuss counter-points of view, if your point is nothing more than mouthing off sarcastically dont expect a response from me.