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#21 - 2017-01-11 15:43:49 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:


I don't think the Dev blogs where better. Rather it was one single source for all information, reducing the time required to locate the information.


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#22 - 2017-01-11 16:24:09 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:


I don't think the Dev blogs where better. Rather it was one single source for all information, reducing the time required to locate the information.


Also known as "better" Cool


I disagree. Dev blogs tended to be limited to static images and texts. They also did not contain or allow for edits of initial stats based on forum discussions. I'd rather see a video showing me animations than a Dev blog just highlighting the change. I'd rather look back at the first post to see changes based on community feedback instead of waiting for the next blog.

I think different announcements and changes can best be communicated in different ways. I just wish there was one central point that linked to all those methods. And yes all this could happen on the Dev blog by why reinvent the wheel when all that is needed is a central hub?
#23 - 2017-01-11 20:44:07 UTC
It's not going in a good direction. Information should be available in one spot for easy access and searchable. Videos mostly do a terrible job here, cannot be searched at all and are basically bling. They are nice and entertaining but there are only few cases, where videos are a superior medium for information transfer atm.

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#24 - 2017-01-11 22:00:35 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:

I disagree. Dev blogs tended to be limited to static images and texts. They also did not contain or allow for edits of initial stats based on forum discussions. I'd rather see a video showing me animations than a Dev blog just highlighting the change. I'd rather look back at the first post to see changes based on community feedback instead of waiting for the next blog.

I think different announcements and changes can best be communicated in different ways. I just wish there was one central point that linked to all those methods. And yes all this could happen on the Dev blog by why reinvent the wheel when all that is needed is a central hub?

Because they can't put a video into a Dev blog or post a second dev blog or edits to show changes......
Oh wait they can. And have.
#25 - 2017-01-12 10:26:08 UTC
The main reason for the reduction in Dev Blogs in 2016 is that we've been looking at other mediums to talk about the features that we're working on.

Part of this is the fact that we've switched more to video content such as the o7 show, and feature tours for major releases (these are all available on our YouTube Channel), which cuts down the number of "Coming in this Expansion/Release" style blogs.

In addition to this we now have EVE Updates to host our medium term roadmap (it's a little bare for 2017 at present as we're still finalizing feature planning for this year before we announce).

On top of this, the fact that a lot of the "meat" of dev blogs (hard numbers etc) is posted in forum threads in this section now, mean that we don't really need to use dev blogs as much, and it's way easier for us to use the forums to talk numbers with you guys rather than a dev blog comments thread where the numbers in a blog are fixed and more difficult to edit.

We're also trying to keep our communication a lot more concise and grounded compared to what we've released in the past, so that you guys get a clearer picture of what's coming. Smile

Hope this makes sense.

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3

#26 - 2017-01-12 10:29:34 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
And yes all this could happen on the Dev blog by why reinvent the wheel when all that is needed is a central hub?


The idea in 2017 is to make EVE Updates into this, so that we have a rolling timeline of everything that's announced and being worked on Smile

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3

#27 - 2017-01-12 11:28:41 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
The main reason for the reduction in Dev Blogs in 2016 is that we've been looking at other mediums to talk about the features that we're working on.


Mediums? Are you telling us that the reason for the reduction in dev blogs is that the dev team are all dead and the only way to communicate with them is via spiritualists?


Talk about bad luck... guess that door isn't going to open any time soon then.
#28 - 2017-01-12 13:16:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Its good they are complaining about lack of dev blogs rather than complaining about lack of new features. P

When WiS?
#29 - 2017-01-12 13:18:27 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
And yes all this could happen on the Dev blog by why reinvent the wheel when all that is needed is a central hub?


The idea in 2017 is to make EVE Updates into this, so that we have a rolling timeline of everything that's announced and being worked on Smile


"So now you have to look at 8 different places if you want to know what's going on instead of 1! It's more unified!" - says a man who doesn't know what words mean.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

#30 - 2017-01-12 13:48:39 UTC
mkint wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
And yes all this could happen on the Dev blog by why reinvent the wheel when all that is needed is a central hub?


The idea in 2017 is to make EVE Updates into this, so that we have a rolling timeline of everything that's announced and being worked on Smile


"So now you have to look at 8 different places if you want to know what's going on instead of 1! It's more unified!" - says a man who doesn't know what words mean.


https://xkcd.com/927/
#31 - 2017-01-12 15:10:25 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
There was a recent reddit thread on this and while I rarely agree with Ripard (and most commonly disagree with him), his post here seems pretty good:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5jqovs/devblogs_in_2014_and_2016/

Falcon also makes a good contribution, pointing out the greater use of forum threads by the devs, as opposed to devblogs.

Yeah it does seam they move away from the dev-blog as a medium. I am just not sure what that means for the visibility of those changes and topics


For me it is a negative change. I don't like Reddit and don't wan to spend my time there.
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#32 - 2017-01-12 19:04:16 UTC
Shayla Etherodyne wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
There was a recent reddit thread on this and while I rarely agree with Ripard (and most commonly disagree with him), his post here seems pretty good:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5jqovs/devblogs_in_2014_and_2016/

Falcon also makes a good contribution, pointing out the greater use of forum threads by the devs, as opposed to devblogs.

Yeah it does seam they move away from the dev-blog as a medium. I am just not sure what that means for the visibility of those changes and topics


For me it is a negative change. I don't like Reddit and don't wan to spend my time there.


Then don't?

Been around since the beginning.

#33 - 2017-01-12 19:27:42 UTC
d0cTeR9 wrote:
Shayla Etherodyne wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
There was a recent reddit thread on this and while I rarely agree with Ripard (and most commonly disagree with him), his post here seems pretty good:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5jqovs/devblogs_in_2014_and_2016/

Falcon also makes a good contribution, pointing out the greater use of forum threads by the devs, as opposed to devblogs.

Yeah it does seam they move away from the dev-blog as a medium. I am just not sure what that means for the visibility of those changes and topics


For me it is a negative change. I don't like Reddit and don't wan to spend my time there.


Then don't?

You'd think a company that does development would have the self respect in their own abilities that they'd use their own products.

I by far prefer devblogs, or at least written material on the forums. I hate sitting through videos, they take too long, are slow paced, and most of the time boring as hell filled with pointless fluff (not just CCP, but most videos.) Sucks to sit through a mind numbing hour of video for 2 minutes of information. My main source of EVE news has always been the devpost button. Except it's looking like CCP has sort of just given up on themselves and don't bother talking about things, just "here it is, if you like it or don't, whatever, we don't care any more" on patch day. Seems like only 4 devs are active on the forums any more, 1 does just info dumps every couple month, 2 are foreign language, 1 announces stuff from other devs that absolutely has to be announced.

CCP: you've always had some kind of in development page. Most of the time it's been a failure, ridiculously out of date. For most (or every?) game I've seen, the in development page in general has been a failure as a communications tool. Sure, keep it up to date because a professional does their job, but don't pretend it's a new innovation, and don't pretend it's the same thing as communication.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2017-01-13 00:43:58 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:


The idea in 2017 is to make EVE Updates into this, so that we have a rolling timeline of everything that's announced and being worked on Smile



Just promise that the old Dev blogs won't go away. There are some real gems in the ones from way back. My favorite was the one, if I remember right, that was nothing but Hilmar posting "Fixed bug where shooting a mining drone caused Eve to crash for everyone on grid" or something along those lines. Don't rob us of such amazing history! Big smile
CODE.
#35 - 2017-01-13 06:34:17 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
And yes all this could happen on the Dev blog by why reinvent the wheel when all that is needed is a central hub?


The idea in 2017 is to make EVE Updates into this, so that we have a rolling timeline of everything that's announced and being worked on Smile


I see why there is a change needed. What I don't see is why you throw away a working concept BEFORE you have the replacement ready? At the moment it is a bit of a mess to find the information about what new stuff is coming.
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