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Worthless Character, Need Focused Character - Please Help!

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Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-01-11 01:03:25 UTC
Hi,

I started Eve a few years ago but took a break for a few years and have just started back. I have not got much skillpoiints, 5.7 mill and I hate it. I want a focused character but at the moment its just training training all the time. It upsets me that if I had a queue going and kept my subscription open, I would have lots of skillpoint now and my char would be able yo do things that I am interested in. I also want a fresh start with a new character, so that I can start again with a focused character.

interests:

Hauling - I love hauling. I would love a char focused on hauling with JF skills
Incursions/ High level missions - This would be good for me to be able to make isk.

I don't know what to do :(
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2017-01-11 01:26:48 UTC
You can't go back and change the past so it makes no sense to think about what could have been since it isn't.

As far as focus goes Eve rewards spreading your skills around mostly.

As far as re-rolling a new character to "focus" more that makes no sense to me either since you can train anything and there is no penalty for having trained something. So if you want to train hauling skills then do so. There is nothing stopping you from training them and nothing that you gain from starting from scratch.

As far as training for a JF... I would ask why? What is it exactly that you enjoy doing? What is it that you want to do that you think lack of JF skills is keeping you from doing?

Just in case you don't understand exactly what a JF is or does I will give a brief description:

A Jump Freighter can jump to a cyno beacon. Cyno beacons can only be lit in low and null sec space. JFs cost Billions of isk. It takes at least 2 characters to cyno jump that being one in the jumping ship and one in the ship that is lighting the cyno. This means that you either have to control both character's and know what you are doing or trust the person lighting the cyno for you.

I had a new player in my corp a while back that decided he wanted to fly a Rorqual. I asked him why and he didn't really have a good reason he just wanted to. So he started another character and focused that second character one getting into a Rorqual ASAP while he kept up his normal training on his main.

As soon as the alt could sit in a Rorqual he purchased one and fit it out and tried to get it to our main mining system. The first time that he undoced and cynoed the ship he bounced off of the station that was his stop over point in low sec and wound up getting his brand new Rorqual blown up literally within seconds of undocking for the first time.

Capital ships take a long time to train for for a reason. You should not be flying one until you have a good understand of a broad range of game mechanics. Ironically once you do, you probably won't want to fly them all that much.

Flying a JF is not fun. It is the only tech 2 cap ship in game and as such is one of the most prized targets in all of the game. When you are flying a JF it's like being a supermodel on an Aircraft Carrier full of sailors that have been out to sea for months.

I would recommend you try different aspect of the game and focus on what you enjoy doing now and don't pay any attention to what could have been nor what you think that you might want to do next week much less in 6 months or a year.

So if you like hauling then haul. If, on the other hand, you are just looking to make isk then figure out what you like doing and figure out how to make isk doing that.

This is a game and I can't say enough "just have fun now!". If you try to focus on being space rich the game will turn into a job very quickly.

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Gallente Federation
#3 - 2017-01-11 01:42:25 UTC
Thank you for the very nice response, I appreciate that reply. I know I should focus on what I enjoy doing now, I like hauling but I do find it very hard making money from it. I have no starting capital for anything like that either atm haha.

That reply was really good though, thank you for the reply it makes sense :D
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2017-01-11 01:59:20 UTC
You wouldn't have much in terms of capital on a new character either. I can only give you the same recommendations that I would give to a brand new player: Find the career agents in one of these systems, and run their missions. This will provide you with a bit of money and ships, as well as some basic knowledge about the game. Then head over to the Sisters of Eve station in the Arnon system and talk to Sister Alitura. She will offer you a 52 mission long "Epic Arc". It's mainly combat focused, but it's good money and has a nice faction standing boost at the end, that will help you get into missions if those are your thing.

Once that's done, get involved with other players. Make friends, talk to people who screw you over (be nice! ;) ), maybe join a corp, see how other players do things and you will probably end up with a half-decent plan.

fake-edit: Jump Freighters .... you must really hate yourself. ;)
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2017-01-11 02:02:20 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
You wouldn't have much in terms of capital on a new character either. I can only give you the same recommendations that I would give to a brand new player: Find the career agents in one of these systems, and run their missions. This will provide you with a bit of money and ships, as well as some basic knowledge about the game. Then head over to the Sisters of Eve station in the Arnon system and talk to Sister Alitura. She will offer you a 52 mission long "Epic Arc". It's mainly combat focused, but it's good money and has a nice faction standing boost at the end, that will help you get into missions if those are your thing.

Once that's done, get involved with other players. Make friends, talk to people who screw you over (be nice! ;) ), maybe join a corp, see how other players do things and you will probably end up with a half-decent plan.

fake-edit: Jump Freighters .... you must really hate yourself. ;)

why hate myself?

Im 3 years old I dont need tutorials or silly sisters of eve things ahah btu thanks
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2017-01-11 02:23:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Then I suppose you have all the capital you need. By the way, Neuntausend is almost 9 by now, and I still run the Sisters Arc every once in a while, for the standing boost alone. ;)

On the topic of jump freighters: It's either tiresome or absolutely nerve wrecking. It's rarely entertaining or engaging. It can give you good income, but that's about it.
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2017-01-11 03:22:43 UTC
Dalzar Andedare wrote:

why hate myself?

Like I said before, flying a JF is high risk and not a lot of fun. Also everyone wants the services of a JF but rarely does anyone want to pay what it's worth or maybe I should say pay you what you would make if you spent the same amount of time doing something less risky.

Probably one of the more common ways of using a JF is in the service of a medium to large null sec Alliance. In that case often the Alliance pays for the ship and all the fuel etc... and then the pilot is often an alt made just for that purpose. In such a case the owner of the JF alt often does it as a means to an end meaning he likes living in null sec on his main and has the JF alt to supply himself and his mates with what is needed to do what he likes.

As a side note I thought some more on your comment about needing focus. When I started playing this game I felt much the same way as you. So I came up with a plan for my "main" and followed through with it. That character had very focused training. To make a long story short I started an alt that I could play on while my main trained. At one point that old "main" had about 60 Million skill points and was still mostly useless.

On the other hand that alt that I started to get me by in the short term, and on which I trained whatever I wanted to train now, with no long term plan became far more useful with far less skill points. Long before 60 Million skill points that alt could do anything that I wanted her to do. My skills since then have only helped me to do what I did slightly better.

Currently that old main has over 160 Million skill points and has almost never been used. That old alt has been my actual main for years. My first character I've spent hundreds of real life dollars mostly just training skills that pretty much haven't been used.

My first year or two in Eve my take on the game was very different than it is now. But now with all the years of hind site I'd say that ( at least to me ) Eve is a game about playing. It's not a game about goals it's a game about the journey. Yes you can make goals in this game but the joy is the process of achieving them not in the place of having them.

Other MMOs are very much based on easily quantifiable goals and a race with no clear winner and an ever moving finish line. Eve is a sandbox. We come here to play in the sand not build sand castles. Yes we might build sand castles but that's not why we are here. We are here to play in the sand. Maybe we build a castle maybe we bury each other up to our necks and take pictures. Maybe we kick over someone else's castle. The only for sure thing in this game is the sand.

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Evictus.
#8 - 2017-01-11 09:09:53 UTC
If you truly enjoy hauling, I recommend you consider the following:

Train for standard freighter, it takes about a month - advanced spaceship command 5 is a lengthy train but it is prerequisite for any capital ship. Once you can fly a freighter, apply to Red Frog http://red-frog.org/recruit.php

You'll need a second account - this is a basic requirement for any hauling. Your contract character and freighter pilot should be separate. The accounts need to be able to login at the same time - an Alpha won't work. This is also a slow process the wait time was a couple of months when I applied. You will also need a freighter and a billion ISK for collateral.

The advantages - there is always work and your ship and collateral are covered by White Frog Insurance as long as you fly within guidelines.

To get rich, you will need several freighter pilots - each on their own account and a computer setup that allows you to multibox.
There is a career path to Black Frog Freight for jump freighter pilots.

You also need patience - freighters are SLOW and risk tolerance freighters occasionally get blown up!

#9 - 2017-01-11 10:25:24 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
As far as re-rolling a new character to "focus" more that makes no sense to me either since you can train anything and there is no penalty for having trained something. So if you want to train hauling skills then do so. There is nothing stopping you from training them and nothing that you gain from starting from scratch.

QFT
The Tuskers Co.
#10 - 2017-01-11 11:59:06 UTC
I'm going to go slightly against the grain and say that in your case there is one advantage to rerolling: skill injectors.

If you intend to buy skill injectors to speed up your training, then once you cross 5 million skill points you get less out of each injector. So a new character is boosted more efficiently than your current character.

That said, that only works if your current 5.7 million skill points are truly wasted (for your playstyle). Throwing away those skill points for extra efficiency makes no sense if you are every going to want them again.

If you go down that route, start your new account via a buddy invite to your old account. This gives you a bonus 250k skill points for your new character, and when you subscribe you old account gets a PLEX. Sell this and give the money to your new character - it will buy you about two skill injectors, putting your new character at roughly 1.75 million skill points before you have even started training.

Keep your old character training any alpha skills that he does not have. At some point he will be maxed out, and you can consider extracting any extra skillpoints (down to the minimum of 5 mil) and selling them to recoup some of the costs of starting your new character.

If you like reading about low sec piracy or wormhole pvp, you might enjoy my blog.

Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2017-01-11 14:38:23 UTC
There is never a reason to start a new character over skills. Trained skills that you don't use aren't any hindrance to you. So starting a new character just means training the same core skills over again. Simply start training into what you want now. Eve is not like class-based games where whole chunks of game play are cut off at character creation by choosing a specialization. You can do anything with just one character. Once you have invested in core skills- it's silly to waste that training time.

Just switch your training to whatever tickles your fancy. No need for a new toon.
#12 - 2017-01-11 15:48:56 UTC
you have 5.7m SP, I really doubt it is all useless, I also guess there is a ton of stuff you would just have to train again on a new character making a new character an even bigger waste of time. If you think it is really bad you could always throw your character on eveboard and have us take a look. Also if your character did magically have a lot of SP you may not know what to do with all that SP and end up wasting a ton if isk/time losing ships to preventable mistakes.

For mission running this google doc has (nearly) everything I could say to you https://docs.google.com/document/d/1knVqZEH8qFY0eT44nMEFwcKd3t4PbgcZeuv58SVUxsI/pub
Forum thread for feedback here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=501099

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#13 - 2017-01-11 18:10:34 UTC
Dalzar Andedare wrote:
Thank you for the very nice response, I appreciate that reply. I know I should focus on what I enjoy doing now, I like hauling but I do find it very hard making money from it. I have no starting capital for anything like that either atm haha.

That reply was really good though, thank you for the reply it makes sense :D


If you like hauling, there is the "hauling channel" in game which is filled with like minded people (and those that like preying on them). They will be able to give you advice on how to get started on that career path.

As more general advice - focused training is vastly overrated - at least for a main toon. You will find as you play - that your interests change and that ccp will frequently modify the game altering the current meta. As a result, cross - training is rewarded in eve, which means that there really are no wasted skills. Ofc if you do find that there are skills that you will never use again - such as mining skills on a pvp toon - by all means use skill extractors/injectors - but I personally find that the ability to hop into a mining barge on my pvp toons is beneficial b/c you never know when battle barges are going to be required Lol.
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2017-01-12 00:32:39 UTC
Hauling can be boring, and is very hard to do on a small scale. Most player contracts are for freighter sized loads or for more collateral than you are likely to have. One gank or scam contract and you are screwed.

But don't forget there are distribution missions. These aren't very interesting but can mostly be done with a simple T1 hauler and don't make you go very far. LP on the side might mean you make faction ammo and haul that as part of your normal running around. Look for creative ways to expand on what ever it is that you like about Eve.

Lots of low/null sec groups have alt corps for hauling and such- you might apply to one of these as a main and become a vital part of some player empire's strategic backbone. This might lead to running stuff to a war front in a blockade runner, or other exciting stuff. Blockade Runners also go on most Blops fleets. Usually it's an alt because it can be boring...but as something you do once in awhile...it adds some spice to flying a cargo ship.
The-Culture
#15 - 2017-01-16 09:38:28 UTC
This may be a very dumb question, but why did you joina null sec alliance with only 5 mil skill points in order to haul. Just seems a bit off, and to be honest it seems that some of Goons corps are just joining new members just to boost their player base. If you enjoy hauling you should join a high sec indy corp that can help you make a bit of isk while you haul for them, building your skills up on the toon you already have in order to fly a freighter. Then once you have that down pat, you can focus on more core skills then some pve/pvp ship fits once your core skills are strong.
#16 - 2017-01-16 10:12:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Thursday Park-Laine
Dalzar Andedare wrote:
Hi,

I started Eve a few years ago but took a break for a few years and have just started back. I have not got much skillpoiints, 5.7 mill and I hate it. I want a focused character but at the moment its just training training all the time. It upsets me that if I had a queue going and kept my subscription open, I would have lots of skillpoint now and my char would be able yo do things that I am interested in. I also want a fresh start with a new character, so that I can start again with a focused character.

interests:

Hauling - I love hauling. I would love a char focused on hauling with JF skills
Incursions/ High level missions - This would be good for me to be able to make isk.

I don't know what to do :(


Sometimes I wonder if people are as helpless in real life as they appear in online games or if it's just laziness. And maybe develop some frustration tolerance? You don’t need to start new every time something didn’t work out like you wanted it to. Non-perfect stuff can still work fine with some effort, new is not always better. There will always be someone with better, shinier stuff.

Anyhow, it seems to be quite clear that the OP has these options:
- As you can’t travel back in time just stick with your pilot as any 5 million skill points are still better the view skill points you had when starting a new. pilot. Train into whatever you want to do.
- Once you reach 10 million skillpoints you could buy skill extractors and extract your old unwanted skill points. Inject the points wherever you want to.
- Sell your pilot (you won’t get much but you can try anyway), buy some PLEX for dank ISK and buy whatever pilot looks good to you. But you you might get at the "this is not what I wanted" point again. Whatever, CCP will take your money :)
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