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40 days Alpha-Clone review

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#1 - 2017-01-09 18:17:05 UTC
Hy,

after ~40 days (mid Nov – late Dec.) of playing EVE online as an Alpha-Clone I want to give a little review and some of my impressions. I want to give points (0min - 10max) for every aspect of the game:

5/10 Mining
Well, lets start with the mining system. In the beginning it was one of my favorite acivities. It was easy "to learn" and I like that you always have to keep an eye on the demand and supply situation. I also dont see a problem, that Alphas cant use mining drones or cant learn deep core mining. But to be honest, mining became also very boring pretty fast, because its always the same flow (start miners, wait XX min, empty cargo, start miners, ......). And I dont expect that this will be different as an Alpha, so mining is not a big motivatoion to become an Omega in my opinion. I give 6 points cause its interesting but also becomes boring very fast.

6/10 Industry
As an Alpha I didnt get very deep in this aspect of the game (only produced simple things) but I appreciate what I have seen so far. The system is very complex (compared to other games). But as an Alpha it makes nearly no sense to start an industrial carrier, because its simply too expensive. Because of the skill limitations and Alpha-Tax you are simply not competative. Iam not such a big fan of "crafting", so for me Industry would not be a motivation to become an Omega, but I guess for people who like crafting it can be a reason to upgrade to premium.

7/10 Trade
To keep it short, Trading was my favorite activity in this game. Checking the market situations brought me fun. I also used the external website to find out who is selling cheap and who pays good. Maybe the most complex market system I have ever seen in a game. 7 points.

1/10 PvP
Dont get me wrong, I know that losing ships is a vital part of the game, because you need this regression from time to time. But well, I coulnd never befriend me with the PvP in EvE. I dont like all the unfairness and the way EVE-PvP is working in general. I lost ~60 ships and I would only call 3 - 4 fights as fair. Normally I had situations like this: 3Mio destroyer vs. 150Mio battlecruiser. As an Alpha it is especially difficult to be competetive, because you neither have the required skills or ships nor the equipment to be really PvP-ready. I "specialized" myself in preventing and escaping fights (using DScan and Core Stabs) but then they came with cloaking...lol. For me PvP would not be a reason to become Omega but for other people (Iam sure) it is the meain reason. Well, after all the gate-camps, unfair fights etc. I can only give 1 point.

0/10 Transportation
Transportation was the main reason I quit (I got scammed). In the beginning I liked to do this part of the game but after a few weeks it became more and more boring (Load cargo, jump, jump jump........jump, unload cargo). 80% of the contracts are useless, because they either sound like this: 1Bil. collateral, 29 Jumps, 30k reward or they are simply scam. And as I said, I got scammed, in a 0,9 beginner area. Someone hired me to deliver goods and then he locked me out. This is only able because CCP allows players to change the docking rights during a running contract and because CCP does not allow you to see what you will deliver. In a "normal world" I would get the goods AND the collateral if the client really wants to change the docking rights (his problem) while a contract is running. But anyway, so I lost nearly all my ISK. I had a longer conversation with a Dev about this (because I wanted my 510 Mio. ISK back) and he told me this is a "game mechanic". I questioned myself why would they allow such things even in a beginner region and after connecting some details I came to conclution that this "game mechanic" is an extremely perverted system (introduced by CCP) to grab money. I gave the Dev a detailed arguments and explaination how this money-grabbing-system works and since that I wait for an answer (10 days now). Anyway, transportation would basicly be a reason to become an Omega (to make the big money with big freighters) but not unter this circumstances.
Sorry, inacceptable, 0 points.

6,5/10 Research/Salvaging
I will rate these two aspects as positive. To my surprise it was relatively easy to enhance your virus strength (with rigs and skills) to a pretty high lvl. Salvaging was one of my favorite activities in the last days before I quit, even if I was not able to use S-drones. 6 ponits.

?/10 Planetary
No access as Alpha

3/10 Quests
Nothing special. Kill x, deliver y to z, etc etc.

5/10 Community
Well, I think I met the whole bandwidth of characters. Very friendly and supportive people but also a lot of liars and aholes. Because I met more aholes than friendly people I give 5 points.

1/10 Support
Long response time (ok its was christmas time and new year). But anyway, answers were unclear and when I confronted them with facts and demanded clear answers (yes or no) they simply quit the conversation. (And yes, I have been always very polite). Result: Poor support, 1 point.
#2 - 2017-01-09 18:19:07 UTC
Other positive things:
- Rooky Chat (Would be cool to have access to it even after 30 days)
- The "Mood" (music gives a good "space feeling")
- Beautiful "scenery" (Your ship in front of an ice or magma moon is definately a screenshot worth)
- Low system requirements

Other negative things:
- The skill system (for me as an Alpha it was pretty hard to look through it. Cause you have skills you can learn, you can learn but you need the injection, you can learn but it requires a skill you a, have to learn b, have to inject c, you cant learn because you are Alpha or you simply cant learn. It was very confusing for me.)
- The ships (I flew Gallente and most ships are so ugly and they are all grey. After two weeks I was really close to buy some Aurum to get some skins, because I couldnt see all the grey ships any longer. But to my surprise most of the skins are also grey (light grey, dark grey, black grey). So more skins with "real colours" like red, green, orange etc. would be desirable). (BTW: I found no information if its possible to buy Aurum as a Non-Omega).
- Too many windows

General view on Alpha:
I think even with all the limitations and regulations it is possible to play and enjoy the game and have at least a little insight into nearly all aspects of the game. That you introduce the free2play system to recriut new players, only to lose them after 1 month because you wanted them to be scammed to make money needs no more comment I think.

General view on the game:
EVE is/was a big name in the gaming world, so expected a lot of it. But now I have to state, that Iam a little bit disappointed. After only one month I had my first motivation collapse because most of the activities started to become boring (mining, transportation, rat hunting) and I had my first doubts if it makes sense to continue playing. The scam was only the straw to break the camel's back. Sure, I got angry that I lost nearly all of my ISK, but one of my first thoughts was "Well, only one more reason to quit". And if a player has this kind of thoughts after only 40 days in this game, then something seems to be fundamental wrong with this game.

Will I continue playing?
I stopped playing 3 weeks ago (after I got scammed). If I got my 510Mio. back I will maybe give the game a "second chance". If CCP doenst replace the ISK, Iam not longer interested in this game.

Can I recommend this game?
No, sorry. If Iam honest I have to warn people to play this game because of the "special game mechanics" of CCP.

Well, at last I have to apologize for my bad English and I hope you can read and undertstand it. I wrote this (even when we have our differences in this scam case) to give "a bit back" after I played your game for ~40 days for free.
#3 - 2017-01-09 18:25:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
PvP is very different in EVE than other games. If you find yourself in a fair fight, you did something very wrong. EVE is a strategy game, it's really not about fighting. You do research on your opponent and have a counter ready to what they will do before you even start the fight. Think chess in space, not battles. Understandably that's not for everyone. EVE lets you be the bad guy, and that's a huge part of the game. You got scammed. Don't get mad, get even. Quoting the TV show firefly, "If someone tries to kill you, try to kill them right back". Find a good corp, EVE as a solo player is boring.

To quote someone at CCP, here's something every new player should read

CCP Falcon wrote:
Okay, so what follows is entirely my personal opinion.

It's not a case of not "catering to the tearfilled entitled", it's a case of us staying true to the core of what EVE was built on.

Some of the people complaining in this thread have valid points about the fact that they don't feel safe. Simple fact of the matter is, that you're not suppose to feel safe in New Eden.

Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It's a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent.

While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you're going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who've had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it's enough to make your head explode.

The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It's about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things.

True, we're working hard to lower the bar of entry so that more players can enjoy EVE and can get into the game. Our NPE (New Player Experience) is challenging, and we're trying to improve it to better prepare rookies for what lies out there, but when you start to play eve, you'll always start out as the little fish in the big pond.

The only way to grow is to voraciously consume what's around you, and its your choice whether that happens to be New Eden's abundant natural resources, or the other people who're also fighting their way to the top.

EVE is a playing experience like no other, where every action or reaction resonates through a single universe and is felt by players from all corners of the word. There are no shards here, no mirror universes, no instances and very few rules. If you stumble across something valuable, then chances are someone else already knows where you are, or is working their way toward you and you better be prepared to fight for what you've discovered.

EVE will test you from the outset, from the very second you undock and glimpse the stars, and will take pleasure from sorting those who can survive from those who'd rather curl up and perish.

EVE will let you fight until you collapse, then let you struggle to your feet, exhausted from the effort. Then when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel it'll kick you flat on your ass in the mud again and ask you why you deserve to be standing. It'll test you against every other individual playing at some point or another, and it'll ask for answers.

Give it an answer and maybe it'll let you up again, long enough to gather your thoughts. After a few more steps you're on the ground again and it's asking more questions.

EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time.

Corporation, Alliances and coalitions of tens of thousands have risen and fallen on these basic principles, and every one of those thousands of people has their own unique story to tell about how it affected them and what they experienced.

That's the beauty of EVE. Action and reaction. Emergence.

Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience.
#4 - 2017-01-09 18:38:36 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
"If someone tries to kill you, try to kill them right back".
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Well tanks for response, but this is not my mentality. I only want to fight to kill rats and other NPC mobs. As I wrote, I got "pretty good" in escaping/preventing fights but DSacn doesnt help against cloaked ships. Anyway, the chances that I continue playing are nearly zero. I cant accept how CCP is exploiting beginners/rookies.
#5 - 2017-01-09 18:49:09 UTC
I think this is a pretty fair write-up and summary.

I can promise you that you won't see that ISK again. The dev's pretty much only interfere when the harassment crosses into RL things and even then the damage has already been done to the other player.

10 people will probably try Eve Online and see how dangerous even the littlest things can be, and maybe only 1 in 10 will actually stay. That's the consumer CCP is interested in. I'm sorry that you are looking for justification in quitting instead of staying but I'm hoping that maybe you'll give it a shot again. We've all got painful lessons. I've sold a PLEX for a million ISK before.. but more hurtful to me than that was the 1v1 that someone else dishonored - it was a 6 year veteran of the game that was afraid to have an honest fight against a 120 day old me in a Rifter. I probably took a week off and very much considered dragging this junk game to the trash.

The alpha clone state by design is more of a free-to-try thing than a real free to play. Anyway- it sounds like you've probably made up your mind and I enjoyed your posts. Your English is fantastic!Smile Good luck

@lunettelulu7

Amarr Empire
#6 - 2017-01-09 18:49:54 UTC
Well Roggo.

Eve has been around for (what?) 13 years and it has a Reputation, with a capital R. I'm glad you tried it but Eve can be a Darwinian swamp to navigate. Heck Eve is kind of like living in the pre-Cambrian explosion where life on earth decided it was going to go nuts and grow everywhere. There was an awful lot of experimentation and an awful lot of failure in that part of the history of this great planet of ours.

I cannot over emphasise the Darwinian element; this is a game of adapt and survive. If you're not good at "x" then try "y", if you're not good at "y", perhaps a combination of "x + y" would work? This is a game when you have to work out what kind of personality you are (IRL), and play to the strengths of that personality. If you try anything else, you might succeed but you're going to find it very hard work.

Your disappointment with the game is understandable. Most MMO's are (IMO) an inevitable progression from A to Z. Eve was never about that inevitable progression. This is a game where you have to work out what you want to be, fight that corner, survive the hits and work out where to go next. There are no real goals in Eve - it's up to you to set them, and work out if the value exchange of time versus other stuff you do (IRL) is worth it.

Welcome to the swamp. Fly safe. Stay safe. Have fun whatever you do and enjoy the time you spend gaming. After all, this is what we do in our leisure time and that time is precious.

The voices in my head told me to post this. Mind you they also tell me to buy chocolate, so it can't all be bad.

#7 - 2017-01-09 19:07:25 UTC
Roggo II Seuchenvogel wrote:
Well tanks for response, but this is not my mentality. I only want to fight to kill rats and other NPC mobs. As I wrote, I got "pretty good" in escaping/preventing fights but DSacn doesnt help against cloaked ships. Anyway, the chances that I continue playing are nearly zero. I cant accept how CCP is exploiting beginners/rookies.


Understood, and this isn't a game for everyone. I heavily do PvE only, but doing that means you know you are the mouse in a game of cat and mouse. You learn how to survive. Trust me when I say you can kill rats and not die. d-scan does protect against cloaked ships if you're running sites that need to be scanned down first.

CCP isn't exploiting anyone, especially given you haven't paid them anything so far. CCP lets other players exploit people though, which means you are more than welcome to do the same in return. That's part of the beauty of the game. And again, if you don't like that it's fine, but it is fundamental to what this game is.
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2017-01-09 19:16:10 UTC
I'd say a lot of what you wrote is fair, if not a problem with the game as such. Eve is what it is and always has been, and it seems like you haven't found a part of it that stands out as enjoyable. You comment that PvP is unfair, and definitely solo it can be, but this isn't a problem with the game. I can imagine that you have gone out solo looking for a 1v1, and ran into a gatecamp where you're massively outnumbered. I've been there, and sure, it sucks, but it's a risk you take travelling. If you had a group, if you joined a corp, you could be part of the team and suddenly fair fights aren't such an issue.

You may as well abandon the idea of 'fair' in New Eden, it's a dog eat dog world. If you find a group of friends they will be some of the closest friends you've made in a online game, and they'll have your back.

This post brought to you by CCP's alpha forum alt initiative. Playing the eve forums has never come cheaper.

Gallente Federation
#9 - 2017-01-09 19:20:11 UTC
The other day I had to reason past someones greed to talk them out of buying plex to sell for isk to buy 3 over priced officer modules to sell them to an even more over priced buy order. He just could not wrap his mind around the fact that the whole situation was a setup for scamming greedy bastards. It made me sick that he was even considering throwing real money at something just to quadruple his isk.

I am guessing the courier contract that you accepted had a delivery destination in a citadel. The contract would have warned you of the possibility that you may not have docking rights at the destination station. What kind of reward did this contract offer for completion? How many jumps did it have to be moved? Did you plex yourself isk because you got lazy? It is the only way I can think of a new player having 500mil in 40 days unless they were extremely lucky with the loot fairy. For a new player the money would have been better spent on omega.

I once accidentally bought a 200k frigate for 200mil =), It served me right for not paying attention to decimal places.
#10 - 2017-01-09 19:43:05 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Roggo II Seuchenvogel wrote:
Well tanks for response, but this is not my mentality. I only want to fight to kill rats and other NPC mobs. As I wrote, I got "pretty good" in escaping/preventing fights but DSacn doesnt help against cloaked ships. Anyway, the chances that I continue playing are nearly zero. I cant accept how CCP is exploiting beginners/rookies.


Understood, and this isn't a game for everyone. I heavily do PvE only, but doing that means you know you are the mouse in a game of cat and mouse. You learn how to survive. Trust me when I say you can kill rats and not die. d-scan does protect against cloaked ships if you're running sites that need to be scanned down first.

CCP isn't exploiting anyone, especially given you haven't paid them anything so far. CCP lets other players exploit people though, which means you are more than welcome to do the same in return. That's part of the beauty of the game. And again, if you don't like that it's fine, but it is fundamental to what this game is.


For me it is a kind of exploit. To be scammed like this you need a medicore ammount a ISK (+300Mio). So you have to play 1 - 2 month before you can be scammed like this. Please imagine following situation. After 30 days of f2p I get an abo für 3 months. Now I lose everything because of this scam. So I have two choises now. Either I start from zero (remember that my premium time is ticking) OR I buy PLEX in the shop and sell it for ISK.

Thats the point of this "game mechanic". And thats the reason why:
- CCP denies item preview in delivery-contracts
- They allow players to change the docking rights even during running contracts
- They support this "mechanic" in beginner regions (they are the perfect victims for this)

Its also no secret that CCP has massive financial problems. In Dec. Bloomberg reported that CCP and EVE are now official for sale cause the owners want to get rid of them.
ChaosTheory.
#11 - 2017-01-09 19:43:38 UTC
I notice that every time i read a review authored by someone who doesn't like the game and they point to some feature that ruins it for them, I find my self saying "but that's what I like about it".

People are suited to different things. Most MMOs cater to the things that MMO gamers like (such as 'feeling like a hero" and "having a clear path of progressions" and "limiting how much other players can interfere with yoiur experience". EVE does the exact opposite of all of that lol. EVE is an'Anti-MMO' MMO as far as i'm concerned, which is one reason i think it's kind of dumb for CCP to advertise EVE to MMO players.

Apologies to the OP for sounding harsh, but the OP is just like most people, ie he doesn't have the requisite preferences necessary for the enjoyment of EVE. His tastes seem more mainstream.

EVE is not mainstream, EVE is a strange game, made by strange developers from a strange land (surrounded by a sea filled with strange and soon to be fermented sharks), and aimed at strange as hell players.

Keep EVE Strange.
Caldari State
#12 - 2017-01-09 19:46:24 UTC
Oboy dear OP.

All I can say is that after 3 weeks (2 in Omega)
everything is boomschakalakalicious.

No sweat, no pain. Just cruizin around meeting
awesome (and a-holie) people.

Doin some missions, some exploring and all
that without a clue.

Just like life.

If you always stay ready you don't have to get ready.

ChaosTheory.
#13 - 2017-01-09 19:49:05 UTC
Roggo II Seuchenvogel wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Roggo II Seuchenvogel wrote:
Well tanks for response, but this is not my mentality. I only want to fight to kill rats and other NPC mobs. As I wrote, I got "pretty good" in escaping/preventing fights but DSacn doesnt help against cloaked ships. Anyway, the chances that I continue playing are nearly zero. I cant accept how CCP is exploiting beginners/rookies.


Understood, and this isn't a game for everyone. I heavily do PvE only, but doing that means you know you are the mouse in a game of cat and mouse. You learn how to survive. Trust me when I say you can kill rats and not die. d-scan does protect against cloaked ships if you're running sites that need to be scanned down first.

CCP isn't exploiting anyone, especially given you haven't paid them anything so far. CCP lets other players exploit people though, which means you are more than welcome to do the same in return. That's part of the beauty of the game. And again, if you don't like that it's fine, but it is fundamental to what this game is.


For me it is a kind of exploit. To be scammed like this you need a medicore ammount a ISK (+300Mio). So you have to play 1 - 2 month before you can be scammed like this. Please imagine following situation. After 30 days of f2p I get an abo für 3 months. Now I lose everything because of this scam. So I have two choises now. Either I start from zero (remember that my premium time is ticking) OR I buy PLEX in the shop and sell it for ISK.

Thats the point of this "game mechanic". And thats the reason why:
- CCP denies item preview in delivery-contracts
- They allow players to change the docking rights even during running contracts
- They support this "mechanic" in beginner regions (they are the perfect victims for this)

Its also no secret that CCP has massive financial problems. In Dec. Bloomberg reported that CCP and EVE are now official for sale cause the owners want to get rid of them.



The problem here is that you don't want to take responsibility for getting scammed. At the bottom of EVERY scam is greed...on the part of the person getting Scammed. You thought you were getting away with a good deal, but instead you lost everything.

What a person more suited to EVE does is says "wow, that was stupid of me, i'll be more careful next time...oh and ll never gamble with all my money like that again!".

What a person not suited to the game does is either quit, or complain about it on the forums in hope of drumming up popular support that will get the developers to change it.

The question is can you adapt and learn from your mistakes, or will you not and just hope forum posting is enough?
#14 - 2017-01-09 19:54:50 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
The other day I had to reason past someones greed to talk them out of buying plex to sell for isk to buy 3 over priced officer modules to sell them to an even more over priced buy order. He just could not wrap his mind around the fact that the whole situation was a setup for scamming greedy bastards. It made me sick that he was even considering throwing real money at something just to quadruple his isk.

I am guessing the courier contract that you accepted had a delivery destination in a citadel. The contract would have warned you of the possibility that you may not have docking rights at the destination station. What kind of reward did this contract offer for completion? How many jumps did it have to be moved? Did you plex yourself isk because you got lazy? It is the only way I can think of a new player having 500mil in 40 days unless they were extremely lucky with the loot fairy. For a new player the money would have been better spent on omega.

I once accidentally bought a 200k frigate for 200mil =), It served me right for not paying attention to decimal places.


As I said, its was a station in 0,9 system. The contract "warned" me that I have to check the docking status of the sation, what I did. But the status have been changed during my fly. How should I know as a rooky, that clients can change the status even during an open contract? Makes no sense.

I think the reward was ~12Mio. for ~12 jumps. The problem was that I was not able to see what I will deliver because CCP denies previews. With preview I would have seen that the freight is worthless = scam.

No, I bought no PLEX. Money making was relatively easy for me. After 40 days I had ~750 Mio. cash and ~300 Mio. ships, loot, etc. I did mainly rat hunting (clone soldier gives 1Mio. bounty + 1,5 Mio loot) and trading (bought stuff in my system and sold it in Dodixi, so I made 20 - 50 Mio. per flight). But I want my ISK back, from principle.
#15 - 2017-01-09 19:59:45 UTC
#16 - 2017-01-09 20:02:02 UTC
I quite enjoyed your write-up - it's good the hear a new guy's honest opinion. Some points:

The ISK won't be returned, forget about it. We know how it feels to be scammed, we've all been scammed to some extent at some point, but that's why EvE feels like a living, breathing world. Get rich quick scams are just the same as they are in real life: scams.

Be philosophical about the loss: you lost 10 US dollars to a real-life guy who played you. That's not so much, and you've learned the scam and can avoid it (or be on the other end next time).

Don't try to use money to make money this early: you don't really have the experience. Just like in real life, work jobs for a bit (missions, exploration, mining, whatever) where you sell your time, and then later move into financing and entrepreneurship.

Hook up with like-minded dudes. I think here is the German recruitment forum. Ask around, and try to get involved in small to medium scale punch-ups with cheap ships: 500 million ISK can buy a lot of cheap ships, and will quite possibly be replaced by your corporation/alliance.

Anyway, a good post, and good luck in any future endeavour. And remember, your account will always be there for you to come back to.
#17 - 2017-01-09 20:03:26 UTC
It's cute when people review things they don't understand.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

#18 - 2017-01-09 20:13:05 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:



The problem here is that you don't want to take responsibility for getting scammed.


Thats exactly the point, I dont want to take responibility for it because it was not a regular "buy the magic bean" scam.
#19 - 2017-01-09 20:18:50 UTC
Well, Since you made up your mind to leave, I hope you will take some time to listen to CCP's In House Band. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q

Surprisingly good music for an amateur band.

ISD Max Trix

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to EVE mails about forum moderation.

ChaosTheory.
#20 - 2017-01-09 20:20:54 UTC
Roggo II Seuchenvogel wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:



The problem here is that you don't want to take responsibility for getting scammed.


Thats exactly the point, I dont want to take responibility for it because it was not a regular "buy the magic bean" scam.


Doesn't matter, it was within the rules, rules you should have studied before trying to use isk to make isk. Your greed and impatience got the better of you. You tried to do something that people with YEARS of EVE experience avoid, and you got bit by it. New players make that mistake (going to far, too fast) all the time, and new alphas more so, which is why all those Gnosises are getting blown up in lvl 4 missions lol.

The point is it's on you to learn and be careful, it's not on CCP to fix and it's not on scammers to refrain from scamming. That's what EVE is about, understanding both deep game mechanics and (more importantly) people, and using that knowledge to progress.
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