Player Features and Ideas Discussion

In the aspect of being trapped in a bubble, committed to a fight and target calling it can be quite similar. But it is true this is only one aspect of combat, and as such it would only be one arena type. Another could just as easily be an entire system or multiple systems where you have to scan down your opponent and dictate the engagement within a limited time window.

That's called 'not being in highsec'.

Your arenas will teach fair fights. There will be no-one dropping a nyx on your solo frigate in your arenas. Winning everything in your arenas will not prepare you for someone who does not fight fair, has numbers and/or a cyno. What do you think someone who learned all thier PVP in your fair fight arenas is going to do the first time they get themselves killed by a bubblecamp, baited on a maller, or even the first time the falcon decloaks?

Pretty much. The whole point of eve is that you are gankable ANYWHERE. No magic walls, no dev hax, no teleportation.

It depends. If i can probe you down and shoot you then im more inclined towards the idea. But if i can do that, why aren't you just warping to a safe for your 'arena' or a mission pocket?

I can't see how what you want cannot already be satisfied with what we have. Just have a referee.

I think he should propose a new Moba game made by CCP and has all that kind of PvP he wants.

Well, if we're going to get technical. Dust 514 was an instanced PVP arena based game loosely connected to the open world of Eve Online.

Structured PvP arena with Eve Ships may work as a standalone title if there is little to no market interaction with Eve (maybe offer an unlock of SKINs and other cosmetics for playing).

Is there something wrong with a standalone title experience? Valk, Gunjack, and Project Nova aren't directly connected to Eve Online, but fill a gameplay niche that serves as a touchpoint for the expanded universe.

Not only that. A guy with 20M SP who has been PVPing for 5 years can easily beat a guy who has just started PVPing and injected 20M SP. SP are a near meaningless way to tier arenas. This actually discourages PVP because the obvious epeen of someone will get hammered over and over by someone's invisible epeen when people expect a "leveled" playing field. Experience is a lot more important than the raw SP count and you cannot limit or restrict experience. Even char age does not hold any water because EVE revolves around alts, which may look like a 5 days old char but have a guy with 10 years of experience behind it.

Another downside: if you give instanced PvP then people who also pay the same to play the game will want instanced PvE. At which point you start breaking the game entirely.

EVE is a open world PvP game where combat emerges for very different reasons but all related to the big sandbox which gives all of this meaning. I know EVE has many things you can do, but they all happen in the sandbox and the fundamental principal is that you are never isolated in space.

What you are looking for is more like a instances shooter which is something completely different and you can find such a thing in countless other games which specialise on such game mechanics but don't have the open world PvP instead. Why not play one of those?

OP, contrary to the majority of the opinions stated here a battle area where people could go and fight free from outside influences would be a wonderful addition to this game provided it was implemented properly and with some appropriate restrictions.

It would have minimal to no impact on the markets, ships getting blown up are still ships getting blown up and the markets do not care how, when or where those ships get blown up. Based on my personal experiences since starting in 2009 these would likely be a boost to the markets. I have met a lot of players that are not willing to risk a 1 on 1 or even small group adventures in low sec for fear that they will be jumped on by a large group. However they would happily take part in blowing things up if it was in a more controlled environment free of the being jumped by a large group aspect.

If properly implemented these would allow for a true one on one contest where no one could cheat and all by itself that holds some potential to boost PvP activities because believe it or not there is still some that apply principals of fairness even in their game play online.

These could be a valuable tool to help train new players.
Dual's are worthless in this regard since they do not prevent outside interference.
Yes ultimately a player needs to get out an experience "real" PvP in this game, however these would serve as a way to help get them over the concerns about losing ships. They would also help with the new player getting ganged up on before they have a clue what they are doing aspect which causes some to leave PvP and others to leave the game.

This idea would not in any significant way circumvent the core EvE principal that you are not safe anywhere. You still have to get from station to one of these battle areas and when the battle was done you still have to get back to a station so you are vulnerable during travel. And to be honest inside these battle areas you are not really safe since the whole purpose of them is to try and blow up the other people / peoples ships.

Some say no to these because it would be the death of PvP in this game. My response is simply this, if that actually happened then we would all know whether the player base prefers instanced PvP or the more open and free form that we have now and either way that would be a good thing because CCP could then focus devs assets on giving the player base what they really want. For many reasons I personally I believe these would ultimately lead to even more PvP than we have now and the fact that some of that increase would only occur inside these arena areas only is not a problem that CCP or this community should be concerned about because additional subscriptions means more cash for CCP.

With those things said this idea will never happen in EvE, why?
Because most of the PvP players in the game do not want a fair fight or anything that even remotely resembles a fair fight, in fact many of them simply choose to warp away from what looks like a fair fight. What they want is to be assured of a victory achieved through treachery, lies, deceit and just plain old my stick is bigger mentality. Before you jump on me about this there is a place in this game for treachery, lies, decit and the my stick is bigger mentality, there is a place for these battle areas.

To sum up.
Battle arenas are something we need in this game. Yes there are some potential negative aspects to them, but as a whole they would be a positive change made to this game.