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Any Alpha Clone managed to do level 4 missions yet?

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2Sonas1Cup
#61 - 2016-12-11 22:24:20 UTC
It's possible to run SOME l4 missions with either a caracal or even a vexor.
Ben Johannson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2016-12-12 11:45:07 UTC
Jotunspor wrote:
Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.



Didn't have much problem running Level 3s in a VNI sentry fit. It's all about shooting them when they can't shoot you.
Kira II Narris
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2017-01-02 15:59:59 UTC
Jotunspor wrote:
Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.


this is far from true.
a gallente toon, in a vexor (with maxed out the alpha-possible drone skills), shield tanking at 40km+, can do most l3 easily
Josef Djugashvilis
#64 - 2017-01-02 16:16:11 UTC
mkint wrote:
I've solo'd lvl 4's in an AF, a talos, and an algos. I haven't tried since before alphas though. I imagine the DPS will be just a little bit short without T2 blasters, but 2 or 3 alphas should be able to handle it fine if they know what they are doing. Whether or not the isk/hour would be worth it, I couldn't say.


Bah - I have soloed level 4 missions in a Velator armed with civilian guns and earned 200m isk per hour.

Are we smoking the same stuff - it sure causes weird Eve related fantasies.

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Casandra Laur
Bleu Femme Felis
#65 - 2017-01-02 16:36:49 UTC
I'm having no problems in L3s in my Gnosis. I am now getting 465dps, that includes 65 from 4 drones. I'm training now for that 5th drone. I am glad I am Gallente.

For my L4 agent, I have a standing of 4.3. I need a standing of 5 to run missions. I haven't been running may L3 missions lately because of the holidays. Even though I went Omega, I'm only training my skills to Alpha levels. In think I have about 7 more days of training, a couple of more drone skills, and I should be good. All the relevant skills will be at the max Alpha levels. Right now I'm at 1.958,959 sp.

I know many L4s may be doable, and I also know I may just be overwhelmed in others. I should tell my corpmates to go fly the Gnosis in L4s, using my fit, and we'll see how good you do first. Hmmm, sounds like an idea.

-Cassy
Celise Katelo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#66 - 2017-01-02 16:36:56 UTC
Dwai Attic wrote:
Kosomot wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Or just don't solo lvl 4's and they will be easy with several alpha's.


This..

Alpha Gang running level 4's will be a thing.

I can see Drone Masses with Vexor Gang's hammering Level 4 misisons





Would it be even profitable? I'm not familiar with missions (thank god) but I imagine the pay would be pretty negligible.


If you complete the missions rather quick then the LP is how you would get the profit, also having one person pick the mission up, while the rest warp to site & start to pew pew.

Fast LP, some good fun, so yes it would work well P

EVEBoard ...Just over 60million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"

Casandra Laur
Bleu Femme Felis
#67 - 2017-01-02 19:33:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Casandra Laur
Casandra Laur wrote:
I'm having no problems in L3s in my Gnosis. I am now getting 465dps, that includes 65 from 4 drones. I'm training now for that 5th drone. I am glad I am Gallente.

For my L4 agent, I have a standing of 4.3. I need a standing of 5 to run missions. I haven't been running may L3 missions lately because of the holidays. Even though I went Omega, I'm only training my skills to Alpha levels. In think I have about 7 more days of training, a couple of more drone skills, and I should be good. All the relevant skills will be at the max Alpha levels. Right now I'm at 1.958,959 sp.

I know many L4s may be doable, and I also know I may just be overwhelmed in others. I should tell my corpmates to go fly the Gnosis in L4s, using my fit, and we'll see how good you do first. Hmmm, sounds like an idea.

-Cassy


Ahem . . .(clearing throat)

Well, I thought it would be a good idea. Had a friend take a Gnosis into a L4 with a fit that would be similar to mine. They have almost perfect gunnery and drone skills, putting out a total of 612dps.

First L4 mission up - Enemies Abound Part 1 . . . it wasn't very pretty to start for them. Destroyed two cruisers, and was in armor in one minute, and warped back to base, repaired armor. (should have stayed docked up) Ok, back out she goes. Everything's running, and everyone's firing. Take down one cruiser and one frigate, and back into armor again, but this time there are 3 frigates scramming . . . into hull, with one frigate to go, should have had a mwd, as the ab only gave some hope . . . the shield booster was barely holding, last frigate pops, as she started to warp to base . . . pop!

So, L4's in that Gnosis, for that mission. No way! Mine would never be that strong as an Alpha. And I'm now not going to worry about getting any easy L4s, when I can do lots of L3s and make more.

-Cassy

(Sorry Jaz, I thought you could do it . . . and I think that was your first loss.)
Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2017-01-02 22:21:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Abyss Azizora
100% depends on which level 4 you get. Some can be done easily with a genosis or even just a T1 cruiser. Some are literally impossible however, the ones that come to mind are the ones versus a faction BS that can tank 750-800 dps, which I don't believe a alpha can achieve, at least not in a ship that can do the mission without dying a ball of fire.
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#69 - 2017-01-02 23:33:57 UTC
Well, you technically asked about a level 4 mission, so yes, there are Alpha chars who have ran level 4 distribution missions already (and they could run most level 4 mining missions, except the ones with ice). I have to agree with the rest of the thread in terms of security missions, though: doable, yes, but not efficient.

Level 3's will probably be the big "bread winners" as far as security missions go. They shouldn't be terribly difficult with the Gnosis or in a Navy cruiser, either, but they'll be a bit slower to run than they are for Omega chars.
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#70 - 2017-01-02 23:35:18 UTC
Jotunspor wrote:
Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.


Done level 3s in a cruiser (moa) and done level 4s in a command ship (Vulture). So I don't completely agree with your statements, but I do concur that doing level 4s would be quite a challenge for a solo alpha.
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#71 - 2017-01-02 23:36:07 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Or just don't solo lvl 4's and they will be easy with several alpha's.


And perhaps more fun.
Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
Evictus.
#72 - 2017-01-03 01:01:41 UTC
Jotunspor wrote:
Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.


Dude, yesterday I teamed up with an alpha and we did a level 3. Used two tech I fitted Tristan's to do the deed. It was awesome.
Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
Evictus.
#73 - 2017-01-03 01:04:24 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
mkint wrote:
I've solo'd lvl 4's in an AF, a talos, and an algos. I haven't tried since before alphas though. I imagine the DPS will be just a little bit short without T2 blasters, but 2 or 3 alphas should be able to handle it fine if they know what they are doing. Whether or not the isk/hour would be worth it, I couldn't say.


Bah - I have soloed level 4 missions in a Velator armed with civilian guns and earned 200m isk per hour.

Are we smoking the same stuff - it sure causes weird Eve related fantasies.


Be sure to dump your 1 unit of tritanium and fit a cargo expander. You'll fit more loot that way.
mkint
#74 - 2017-01-03 01:15:54 UTC
Marcus Binchiette wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
mkint wrote:
I've solo'd lvl 4's in an AF, a talos, and an algos. I haven't tried since before alphas though. I imagine the DPS will be just a little bit short without T2 blasters, but 2 or 3 alphas should be able to handle it fine if they know what they are doing. Whether or not the isk/hour would be worth it, I couldn't say.


Bah - I have soloed level 4 missions in a Velator armed with civilian guns and earned 200m isk per hour.

Are we smoking the same stuff - it sure causes weird Eve related fantasies.


Be sure to dump your 1 unit of tritanium and fit a cargo expander. You'll fit more loot that way.

Just because you guys suck at flying, don't assume everyone else does too.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Alexis Red
Doomheim
#75 - 2017-01-03 05:59:51 UTC
I had an account with solid drone skills turn alpha to see if it would be viable and the dips dropped to around 200 in a vexor with medium drones and rigged for dips... i ran level 3 missions with no problems, but couldn't stand grinding for 10 minutes on one battleship, so I bailed on the level 4 mission I got....r-drone, I think.

Level 3 misssions are cake walk for a maxed alpha, since 200dps is more than enough.

Hakawai
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2017-01-03 11:14:42 UTC
Marcus Binchiette wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
mkint wrote:
I've solo'd lvl 4's in an AF, a talos, and an algos. I haven't tried since before alphas though. I imagine the DPS will be just a little bit short without T2 blasters, but 2 or 3 alphas should be able to handle it fine if they know what they are doing. Whether or not the isk/hour would be worth it, I couldn't say.


Bah - I have soloed level 4 missions in a Velator armed with civilian guns and earned 200m isk per hour.

Are we smoking the same stuff - it sure causes weird Eve related fantasies.


Be sure to dump your 1 unit of tritanium and fit a cargo expander. You'll fit more loot that way.


The OP could have been more exact of course, but making broad-seeming claims (L4's in an Algos etc)based on selecting the easiest mission types and the easiest missions within that type is misleading unless some qualifying details are provided.

There are a lot of useless claims in these forums because people would prefer to boast than inform. The forums would be lot more useful if more posters made an effort to provide useful and accurate information instead.


And on topic: I was able to do all L3 Security missions (yes - including (AFAIK) all the ones people know the names of :) with an Alpha clone at about 2.25 million SP: Gallente, quite good drone skills (for an Alpha), standard Vexor with all cheap T1 gear (IIRC, total price was under 15 million ISK), but ofc tuned for purpose (a slightly unusual fit).

I've tried it with another player protecting me in a medium-to-hard L4. I could stay alive ok, but as an earlier poster said, my dps was too low: weak Battleship rats took way too long. I think any BS rat with serious repping would be impossible.
mkint
#77 - 2017-01-03 21:00:00 UTC
Hakawai wrote:
Marcus Binchiette wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
mkint wrote:
I've solo'd lvl 4's in an AF, a talos, and an algos. I haven't tried since before alphas though. I imagine the DPS will be just a little bit short without T2 blasters, but 2 or 3 alphas should be able to handle it fine if they know what they are doing. Whether or not the isk/hour would be worth it, I couldn't say.


Bah - I have soloed level 4 missions in a Velator armed with civilian guns and earned 200m isk per hour.

Are we smoking the same stuff - it sure causes weird Eve related fantasies.


Be sure to dump your 1 unit of tritanium and fit a cargo expander. You'll fit more loot that way.


The OP could have been more exact of course, but making broad-seeming claims (L4's in an Algos etc)based on selecting the easiest mission types and the easiest missions within that type is misleading unless some qualifying details are provided.

There are a lot of useless claims in these forums because people would prefer to boast than inform. The forums would be lot more useful if more posters made an effort to provide useful and accurate information instead.


And on topic: I was able to do all L3 Security missions (yes - including (AFAIK) all the ones people know the names of :) with an Alpha clone at about 2.25 million SP: Gallente, quite good drone skills (for an Alpha), standard Vexor with all cheap T1 gear (IIRC, total price was under 15 million ISK), but ofc tuned for purpose (a slightly unusual fit).

I've tried it with another player protecting me in a medium-to-hard L4. I could stay alive ok, but as an earlier poster said, my dps was too low: weak Battleship rats took way too long. I think any BS rat with serious repping would be impossible.


Ok, specifics. The talos (no tank besides the MWD, plus I learned to consider void ammo a tank in the process) did AE4, not sure about the bonus room. The algos, I don't recall which missions I did with it. The ishkur, which had pretty much the same fitting as the algos (complex AB, T2 guns, T2 drones, T2 magstabs) I think the hardest was WC4, and it's always been my boat to help out rookie corp mates when they use a different mission hub. I didn't spend enough time in the Algos to recall specifically which lvl 4's I did, but I lost around 5 Ishkurs in COSMOS lvl 4's (which had ship size gate restrictions that wouldn't allow battleships and continuously respawning NPCs) before I figured out how to do it, and to be patient while doing it.

The point isn't to brag. This is a stupid forum alt, I have no reputation to build with it. I'd probably just embarrass myself if I tried it again, now. The point is that people who suck at things claim hard things are impossible. But PVE is extremely predictable, and when a thing can be predicted, it can be countered. As I said in an earlier post, I really doubt an alpha will have the DPS to break the tank of a NPC battleship without void ammo and T2 drones. So, solo, a single alpha probably wouldn't be able to do lvl 4's. 2 or 3 should be able to though. I'd love to get a few people in RR cruisers and run a fleet of 10 alphas in lvl 4's, I think it'd be a blast. Also as I've said, it probably wouldn't be worth it in isk/hour, but it would be fun.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#78 - 2017-01-03 23:23:09 UTC
Casandra Laur wrote:
First L4 mission up - Enemies Abound Part 1 . . . it wasn't very pretty to start for them. Destroyed two cruisers, and was in armor in one minute, and warped back to base, repaired armor. (should have stayed docked up) Ok, back out she goes. Everything's running, and everyone's firing. Take down one cruiser and one frigate, and back into armor again, but this time there are 3 frigates scramming . . . into hull, with one frigate to go, should have had a mwd, as the ab only gave some hope . . . the shield booster was barely holding, last frigate pops, as she started to warp to base . . . pop!


Enemies Abound is one of the harder L4 missions.

A Gnosis can handle L4s just fine. An Alpha will need assistance (e.g.: follow along with a sentry drone vexor providing cap/shield/armour transfers). Just aim to get combined DPS and reps up to around 1000.
Jazmyn Stone
Perkone
Caldari State
#79 - 2017-01-04 00:36:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jazmyn Stone
Mara Rinn wrote:
Casandra Laur wrote:
First L4 mission up - Enemies Abound Part 1 . . . it wasn't very pretty to start for them. Destroyed two cruisers, and was in armor in one minute, and warped back to base, repaired armor. (should have stayed docked up) Ok, back out she goes. Everything's running, and everyone's firing. Take down one cruiser and one frigate, and back into armor again, but this time there are 3 frigates scramming . . . into hull, with one frigate to go, should have had a mwd, as the ab only gave some hope . . . the shield booster was barely holding, last frigate pops, as she started to warp to base . . . pop!


Enemies Abound is one of the harder L4 missions.

A Gnosis can handle L4s just fine. An Alpha will need assistance (e.g.: follow along with a sentry drone vexor providing cap/shield/armour transfers). Just aim to get combined DPS and reps up to around 1000.


Geez, that for that incite! We had no idea. If we had known that we wouldn't have tried. Thank you. Thank you for that information!

Not!

They're talking about an Alpha doing L4s, not buddied up or in a gang. (If you're in a gang in a L4, what's the point?)

FYI, it was I who fitted a Gnosis for Casanda's level. I know very well how hard "Enemies Abound" would be in a gimped Gnosis. I have run that mission many, many times over the years. (not in a Gnosis of course.) It would be very hard, but for an experiment, I gave it a try. Took one for the team. I can't think of anyway that Gnosis could have done that mission now.
Also, if you're not up on it, I'm the one who beat Stoic's Mach with a Tengu, so my skills are almost perfect.

"Gnosis can handle L4s just fine." No, only the easy ones, but if you say so, you take a Gnosis into "Enemies About" and see how you fare. Hey, either put up or shut up!

-Jaz

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

Twenty Ten
Doomheim
#80 - 2017-01-04 09:38:27 UTC
Can they fly Gilas? Back when I was a noon I did many level 4s without issue in a Gila.