Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why? You get what you pay for! If you don't want to pay be gratefull whatever CCP offers you! You are using up Server time etc so you are producing costs without paying anything.

Short: NO!!!!!!!

What? You mean I get to stop paying for 80% of my accounts?

Since I have all the skills I need on all those support characters, and I don't need to train them for anything else in the foreseeable future, this sounds like a great idea to save me a lot of money, and cut CCP's income by that same amount.

I think you missed the point of the suggestion.

I'm not advising any skill that is not available to alphas be allowed to be used by a former Omega.

I'm suggesting that a former omega gets the ALPHA skills from all races... not just their own.

You still couldn't do PI or cloak or have heavy or sentry drones or fly battleships. It's just instead of being limited to frigates, cruisers and destroyers of your race... all of the races would be unlocked. You'd have the alpha skill list (which is very limited) of every race available instead of just your own race.

You'd still have to pay for your support accounts... unless everything you use them for is covered by alpha skills of one race or another. And if that is the case... you don't really need to pay for them anyway... just make sure you have the right race for the right support role you are using the account for.

That's a shallow argument that's flat out reaching for something to be upset over
Pirate ships > omega only gold banner, problem solved.

Really itd be more like
>Clone_state_required>omega or something to that effect but it tosses that entire argument right out the window tbh.

My post mentions more than pirate ships. It's also the consolidation of four chars into one. Why let them do that for a one off payment when it costs a monthly sub now? Even if i didn't have any argument at all, why invite people who are already paying monthly to pay once and then stop?

If this logic was economically accurate, CCP wouldn't have introduced Alpha Clones in the first place. We may as well assume that the big shots are greedy and looking out for themselves, so why don't we look out for ourselves a bit? It is okay to ask for a feature on no basis other than want. If CCP feels it will come at a cost, they will let us know and ask us how to proceed.


I meant to link the time CCP actually asked us specifically whether or not we want development resources spent on something, but after spending about an hour looking for it, I linked this instead.

The "why" would be to get a one time payment out of them that wouldn't have been pocketed by CCP otherwise.

I don't feel like someone who's subscribing monthly is going to want to stop unless they feel like they can get most of what they want without paying. Most of the returning people to eve who had more advanced skills resubscribed after getting another taste (like me). The gap between Alpha and omega makes you want to re-subscribe. I don't believe having a "premium" level where you get all races alpha skills would change that.

The pirate ship point IS a good one though. You'd have to add some requirement to keep those Omega only for the idea to work (some skill level as a pre-req that only Omega's could reach).

The reasoning I am using basically is this.

-No new skills would be granted to non subscribers. They'd just have access to all of the skills available to non-subscribers instead of a subset.
-The hope is that by giving the "pay once" players a carrot... they'd try a subscription they wouldn't otherwise try (thus earning money for CCP). They'd get access to a lot of stuff they WILL lose by going back to not paying... and maybe some percentage of them keep paying for the subscription to keep all of the benefits.


The entire point of alpha clones is to get more money. A free taste will get some people to pay. But the idea that you'd be able to keep some portion of what you pay for after your subscription of up would provide more incentive for people to pay at least once... and possibly lead to them paying for months or years.

Unless people have a very different outlook than I do (possible), I can't see people who are enjoying the full game being satisfied with being an alpha or even my proposed "alpha-plus" (beta?). Limitation to T1 cruisers and frigates with no T2 weapons or drones, no industry, no PI, no research and limited trade slots and hauling.... it took a week of playing as an alpha for me to crave full access. That wouldn't have changed if I could fly vexors along with ruptures.... I wanted to get back in T2 ships with T2 weapons.

The purpose would be simply to make subscribing seem more interesting. To make a new player enjoying themselves think "This is fun. Maybe I'll pay for a month and see if I like the full game... and if I don't then I can fly amarr frigates as well as caldari." instead of thinking "This is fun. I'm just going to stick with Alpha since if I pay for a month I won't be able to use any of those skills if I drop back to F2P."

Maybe that isn't needed though.

People though CCP going F2P would create a lot of suggestion to add tot he F2P offering.

They were right.

Why do people always ask for more free stuff when they are given some?

Another satisfied alpha clone user. Interested in Eve and wanting for more.

A subscription is the key to your future happiness. Any small alpha gain will only leave you wanting down the road. Embrace your desire to experience the full beauty of Eve. Pay the subscription and you too can have it ALL!!!!