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Tiberius Glaber
Doomheim
#1 - 2016-12-26 22:31:22 UTC
So have been doing a lot of research for a good fit to do lvl4's with in my raven. Ive seen tank fits, dps fits and sniping fits but really am not sure what is best. Would be awesome if someone could give me some insight on a fit with decent tank and that wont take forever to complete a mission.
Tiberius Glaber
Doomheim
#2 - 2016-12-26 23:16:45 UTC
Also would my drake be capable of doing lvl 4s if I swap the tank and damage for each mission?

[Drake, Eagle]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Target Painter I

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I



Scourge Heavy Missile x3878
Mjolnir Heavy Missile x3038
Cartheron Crust
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#3 - 2016-12-27 00:19:09 UTC
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
01 x HYDRAULIC BAY THRUSTER I
Tiberius Glaber
Doomheim
#4 - 2016-12-27 09:22:57 UTC
So here is the fit I came up with, would be grateful for any suggestions

[Raven, Black Talon]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Damage Control II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Large Shield Booster II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Missile Guidance Computer II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Acolyte II x5

Mjolnir Cruise Missile x2160
Scourge Cruise Missile x2496
Missile Precision Script x1
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#5 - 2016-12-27 11:18:47 UTC
No shield purges. Ravens do not work well with passive tanking. Drop the cap rigs also and use an ancillary shield booster. 2x rigor 1x flare rigs gives the best results IIRC.


ASB + an invuln + rat specific hardener is ample tank for a raven with an mjd fitted. Every other module should be focusing on doing dps or application. Eg 4x bcu 1x missile guidance enhancer in the lows, or maybe a drone damage mod if you're worried about tackle rats.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tiberius Glaber
Doomheim
#6 - 2016-12-27 19:16:04 UTC
Thank you for the help, would it be worth it to throw a target painter on there?
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#7 - 2016-12-27 20:59:41 UTC
There are a few different ways to fit a Raven. Some of those fits are here in the forums. (You really didn't dig hard enough.)
Here's a fit that I have posted many times over the years. It works very good.

Rigs:
2 x rigors
1 x flare

Highs:
6 x Cruise Launcher IIs, with Fury missiles

Mids:
B type X-L Shield booster or whatever, (pulse as needed, it is not intended to run forever.)
Shield Boost Amp II
2 x mission specific hardeners
1 x mission specific amplifiers
Heavy Cap Booster II, 800 charges (15 in the cargo hold)
7 slot - varies. Webber, Target painter, AB, may depend on the mission.

Lows:
4 x Caldari BCUs. the 4 BCU is like having a 5% implant. these also save room in you have fitting issues.
DC II

Drones:
10 x T2 mission specific lights

This puts out 1104dps with 6216 volley. ( I have some implants.)

If you don't have the skills for T2 mods, go with the named ones. Also, probably by the time you do get your Raven flying with a fit like this, you may find missions very boring. Sorry.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#8 - 2016-12-27 21:37:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Kirst
Of course I wouldn't expect a low skilled player to be able to get the numbers I just showed.

If you make all your mods, named mods, your tank won't suffer that much, but you dps will drop very much. You may even have to use a MJD to GTFO. A MJD could be a good thing for a newbie, I have no use for it.

So you could start out with a fit that works for you. Starting out you're going to need a good tank because your gank is bad. Then since your gank is bad, you'll have to pulse your shield booster a lot. You may start using our 800 charges in the cargo hold a lot, and if you run out, it's time to get out.

It will take time and some experimenting on your part to see what works for you.

-Kirst

FYI: I think it was my 7th L4 mission, where I lost a Raven. I had low sp, and a bad fit. I got scrammed, couldn't keep up with the incoming damage, the drones were pitiful in killing off the frigates, took forever to kill BSs, I was overwhelmed, and went poof.

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#9 - 2016-12-27 21:42:48 UTC
One more thing, your Drake fit.

That fit has bad dps. If your tank can survive, it will take forever to finish some missions. You may not even be able to break the tank of some of the harder BSs.

But go ahead and try it, you'll know very quickly if it's feasible.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Tiberius Glaber
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-12-27 22:18:00 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:
One more thing, your Drake fit.

That fit has bad dps. If your tank can survive, it will take forever to finish some missions. You may not even be able to break the tank of some of the harder BSs.

But go ahead and try it, you'll know very quickly if it's feasible.

-Kirst


Thank you for the help, I have completed 5 lvl 4s with the fit I posted so far and you are right, it was pretty slow. As for not digging hard enough, like I said above I did research many of those fits, my problem was figuring out which one to use. I don't want to just copy and paste a fit with out really understanding it. Which is why I asked here for help.
Tiberius Glaber
Doomheim
#11 - 2016-12-27 22:48:24 UTC
Tweaked the fit, does this look better?

[Raven, Black Talon]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Large Shield Booster II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Missile Guidance Computer II
Missile Guidance Computer II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Acolyte II x10

Mjolnir Cruise Missile x8076
Missile Precision Script x2
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#12 - 2016-12-28 00:29:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Kirst
Tiberius, that fit does look better. However,

since your using T1 launchers you're not using T2 missiles (Fury's). that means that your explosion radius is much smaller than the fury's. So, with your rigs, I would eliminate one of the MGCs.

If that Large Shield Booster II is working good for you, that is great. Maybe put in a Shield boost amplifier in place of the MGC. And to me that MJD is really only used to GTFO if things go wrong. You may find that after a while, it's not really needed.

Other than that, and getting into the T2 launchers, you're fit is looking much better IMHO. Those faction BCUs really help the dps.

Good luck, from here on out. Make sure you read the mission reports, and watch those triggers.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Tiberius Glaber
Doomheim
#13 - 2016-12-28 01:53:29 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:
Tiberius, that fit does look better. However,

since your using T1 launchers you're not using T2 missiles (Fury's). that means that your explosion radius is much smaller than the fury's. So, with your rigs, I would eliminate one of the MGCs.

If that Large Shield Booster II is working good for you, that is great. Maybe put in a Shield boost amplifier in place of the MGC. And to me that MJD is really only used to GTFO if things go wrong. You may find that after a while, it's not really needed.

Other than that, and getting into the T2 launchers, you're fit is looking much better IMHO. Those faction BCUs really help the dps.

Good luck, from here on out. Make sure you read the mission reports, and watch those triggers.

-Kirst


Cool, thank you for all the help
Tiberius Glaber
Doomheim
#14 - 2016-12-28 02:54:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiberius Glaber
Alright so after trying several fits and running multiple missions here is the fit that I found is working extremely well for me. Swapped out one of the Missile Guidance's for a Target painter and the difference in damage application is night and day. I'll post the fit below for any new players looking for a good Raven fit.

FYI I get 540 DPS 3,800 Alpha, and am able to 1/2 shot frigates and destroyers

[Raven, Black Talon]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Large Shield Booster II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Target Painter II
Missile Guidance Computer II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Acolyte II x5

Mjolnir Cruise Missile x7416
Missile Precision Script x1
Inferno Cruise Missile x2094
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#15 - 2016-12-28 13:24:51 UTC
Tiberius Glaber wrote:
Thank you for the help, would it be worth it to throw a target painter on there?


Yes. The TP won't be stacking penalized with your rigor rigs, and it will be a big help for blapping smaller targets.

As you accumulate funds, look at getting some skill hardwirings. 3% bonuses may not sound like much, but 3% rof, 3% damage, 3%explosion radius... It adds up. Later you can get 5%s, and they'll stand you in good stead when you upgrade to a Golem.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#16 - 2016-12-28 14:29:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Kirst
Tiberius,

If you went with faction missiles your dps would go higher. And later, after you can use T2 launchers, fit them with fury missiles, and the dps really goes up. Of course, getting the pertinent skills to Level 4 and 5 will make the dps go up too.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#17 - 2016-12-28 14:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Kirst
Ion Kirst wrote:
One more thing, your Drake fit.

That fit has bad dps. If your tank can survive, it will take forever to finish some missions. You may not even be able to break the tank of some of the harder BSs.

But go ahead and try it, you'll know very quickly if it's feasible.

-Kirst


I wanted to correct myself on this statement.

The fit itself is really ok, it's just CCP nerfed heavy missiles a few years ago, the dps of the Drake dropped. Today, you need almost perfect skills to get it's dps up to a good level. Also, it's not all about dps, there's a lot to be said about volley.



-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#18 - 2016-12-30 01:05:51 UTC
For a (late) second opinion. Yes your drake could run L4s but itd be slow as molasses and youd probably want more tank than the fit you listed (DC2 and more SPRs in the lows as required)...

For your raven, the 4th navy BCU is probably 100m for 5 dps... i normally run 2 or 3 navy with 1 or 2 T2 to lower costs.

Upgrading to a navy raven (or barghest or rattlesnake) or even a tengu are all nice upgrade paths for significantly more dps and application in the future.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager