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What happened to solo PVP?
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Rei Y
Minmatar Citizen 90483936 Corporation
#21 - 2016-12-16 16:04:21 UTC
go to mission hubs or mining hubs. look for mission baiters or can flippers. there, solo pvp for you, unless MTU owner decides to join you.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2016-12-18 15:25:47 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Solo PVP died when links became on grid.

That was funny. Thanks Lol

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#23 - 2016-12-21 12:36:43 UTC
1. Killboards. Years ago we were all space-poor. A billion isk was a fortune. Tech 2 BPO holders held all the cards and we paid outrageous prices for ships and modules. I remember covert ops cloaks being over 100mil, heavy pulse lasers at 16mil, cap rechargers at 20mil. Fast forward to now when everybody has huge sums of isk and yet moan about losing a 3mil fit thrasher. We used to be broke, had no SRP programs to speak of, and yet we still whelped fleets worth of ships over and over.

The difference? Killboards. Suddenly stats on a website dictated how and when you fight or not fight, because you can't have a red killboard and be taken seriously by the rest of the community. We used to play for fun, now it's all about flexing killboard epeen.

2. Cheap logi. Back in the day, if you wanted to bring a logistics ship you had to bring a tech 2 cruiser and risk losing it. Now there are cheap frigates/cruisers and tech 2 frigates. That utility used to cost 200mil or more, now it's 10mil....great for the risk averse.

3. Practically every ship in the game got dps buffs. At the same time, resist bonused ships were nerfed from 5% per level to 4% per level.

4. Improved ewar ships.

5. Ancillary shield boosters/armor repairers. Oh sure they're great in a 1v1 situation, but they are a double edged sword. Good burst tanks are great for tanking someone just long enough for your friends to arrive.

6. Offgrid links removed. It's not a problem for gangs to bring links, but if you are solo you can't exactly bring a command ship or something on grid with you.




There are places where solo pvp is still a thing. Lowsec FW space in frigates/destroyers, but the bait and gank philosophy is strong even there. Solo versus gang has gotten to the point that you have to be at the top of your game AND the enemy gang has to have zero logi or you can't engage...and gangs without logi are getting more rare by the day.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#24 - 2016-12-22 01:22:33 UTC
Voxinian wrote:
Andrew Indy wrote:

That being said, its not CPP that makes Solo hard, its the players.


It is CCP that implemented a pay wall behind war decs. It is stupid that a solo player/corp have to pay the same war dec fee as a 200 player corp. Creating PvP content in HS/LS as a solo player can be easy and accessable with the war decs... but it is just a money drain if you do that as a solo player. Spend 200 mil on war decs and if you are lucky you catch a few corp members without a fleet and get 50mil ISK back.

The way the war dec fee system is setup is not for solo players. Everything is catered for fleets/gangs in EvE.


You don't need a WD to get Solo PVP. What you are talking about is pretty close to ganking. Just looking for soft targets and complaining about the WD costs.

LS does not require a WD, nether does null. There is also a thing called dueling. These things are all free other than maybe sec status for LS if you are the aggressor. As mentioned by a lot of People FW is where small gang/solo is. Go there find blinkies and kill them super fast then GTFO.

I have also had several honor duels in LS systems. Hell when I was a noob people ever gave me isk to buy ships to fight in.
Nomad Dragon
Doomheim
#25 - 2016-12-22 02:07:14 UTC
Sarah TheShadow wrote:
What happened to Solo PVP?


It died in 2004 if you believe the forums!
Famine Aligher'ri
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#26 - 2016-12-22 23:35:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Famine Aligher'ri
Sarah TheShadow wrote:
What happened to Solo PVP?
is CCP that into gang warfare that the solo players are left in the dust to rot and go play another game while there naturally pissed off? i like to solo PVP but naturally get killed by a gang. CCP please come up with a place where Solo PVP is possible and fun or something. i cant actually have fun with this game since solo PVP is dead and nothing you do PVE will help. i need some fun PVP action that doesn't force mandatory CTA's on players who cant do them to begin with.


Welcome to EVE Online Sarah!

I don't know if you know this, but EVE Online is a massively multiplayer online game. I highlighted massively and multiplayer for you to help emphasize that EVE Online was designed to be played with more than one person.

That being said, I can't help but also point out that EVE Online is not a single player game nor designed or potentially even balanced around 1-versus-1 battles.

Now, I'm no CCP System Designer, but I would assume just based on those facts--which might I add, are pretty freaking obvious--EVE Online is balanced around grouped gameplay. That means, squads-versus-squads or fleets-versus-fleets when it comes to PvP.

If you think about it, that's also why ships have roles. They are designing our ships to fit in roles within that grouped multieplayer experience that many other games in their genre often do. Of course, that does not mean solo is not a factor, but obviously not the overall design focus in EVE Online.

As someone who obviously has soloed way before you found the game, please consider what EVE Online is before complaining.

Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate

Former The Pirate Syndicate Member

Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member

Former Burn Eden member

Former BioMass Cartel member
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#27 - 2016-12-23 01:04:58 UTC
Tbh, its easier then ever to do solo pvp. Has been true for the last few years as well, its absurdly easy to get endless 1v1s in fw space (and i mean vs proper pilots, not the afk farmers).

Its just the solo vs gang that has gone down the drain a bit. (and null, nullsec is a horrible place to get pvp nowadays, at least as a solo non leet pilot)
Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2016-12-27 09:56:06 UTC
Solo pvp died when CCP allowed multiboxing. Seriously, even if you encounter another player alone, he's at the minimum dual boxing these days.
Rovain Sess
Wu Fanged
#29 - 2016-12-29 20:03:21 UTC
Solo, hear solo.. come here solo!!! :)
Arx Hammer
Bees Nutz
#30 - 2016-12-30 14:03:49 UTC
https://zkillboard.com/kills/solo/

over 1000 solo kills already just today, looks alive and well to me...you just have to find it.
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Shadow Cartel
#31 - 2017-01-03 02:01:45 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Solo PVP died when links became on grid.


LOL!

I'm sorry, let me take you seriously for a moment.

LMAO!

Idiot.
Suzanne Khale
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#32 - 2017-01-08 14:16:20 UTC
I was going to start a topic, but this thread beat me.

Solo PvP? Yeah, I wanted that. I have spent quite some times in WHs in SB; the easiest and more frequent targets are explorers.

Not a real fight, you just ambush them and got the easy hand 95% of times. Some hero equip a PvP T1 (Heron, Imicus, Magnate) then it's more though. I tried the reverse and equip a PvP T2 (Buzzard is very funny) but you hardly bait anything.

Astero are both a bless and a curse, a well fit Astero easily eat any SB or Cov Ops. But most Asteroes are terribly fitted (muh shine new ship, with 3 months skills) so you can get quite valuable kills on them (and loot). It's like shooting the red cross tho.

Well, I decided to join FW to get some better PvP. I was so disappointed: almost everyone leaves a plex when a better or fairly matched ship show off on D Scan. I'd recall Factional Warfare like Chicken Warfare.

So I am trying to figure out how to obtain a fight which is not just suiciding myself to a player willing to combat, or not betting on someone watching youtube while being in the Plex.

Gatecamping PvP for me is a bore, almost completely dull.

Probably WHs, due lack of Local and perfect ambushing (see and not be seen, which could be happening to you too) enviroments are the oly real solo PvP option left in EvE.
Rykker Bow
Center for Advanced Studies
#33 - 2017-01-08 15:30:15 UTC
Tons of good posts here. Really, solo is alive and well and nothing is wrong with it. I think what you want and what is available are not nearly the same thing.

IMO solo in eve is like fishing....lots of looking, lots of casting, lots of moving around. Then you either catch a 2 pound bass and tell everyone it was a 30 pounder or you die and tell everyone it was a 50 man battleship fleet with logi.

The Mjolnir Bloc - Lowsec PvP for the sophisticated - The Mjolnir Bloc Killboards
ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
Pen Is Out
#34 - 2017-01-09 13:12:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ivona fly
SOLO does exist i lost and won many solo fights, i have baited solo pilots too Pirate

even within small gang fights sometimes two ships will break off and have a fight 1v1 uif they get isolated Big smile
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#35 - 2017-01-11 03:01:55 UTC
LInks really hurt solo pvp. Many people lost interest solo pvp when a certain percent of their losses were due to impossible odds due to a hidden enemy ship. The only option was to also have an ogb alt and accept that the game should become a chore.

OGB persisted in this broken state for so long many solo pvpers left and many will never come back. It will take a while for it to build up again. But the actual mechanics are now pretty good for solo pvp.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
Pen Is Out
#36 - 2017-01-11 06:23:01 UTC
People going to bait and blob so you can just try to be

A. slippery to get out before fleet arrives.

B. Have hella DPS to crush the tackle ship and get out, this will not work for dual plate punisher though

In terms of A. I been thinking about a faction scram Command destroyer, with a point range link, idea is you can defensive scram and jump 100k and warp away


Another tip, although might be obvious:
Always drag the target away from the warp in point if you can when solo, if you are baiting try to keep them there .
This means if their buddies land they can't scram/web you instanly.
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#37 - 2017-01-11 20:27:57 UTC  |  Edited by: W0lf Crendraven
So since people everywhere q.q a lot about no solo pvp i decided to test how long it takes to log in, get into a ship and then do some solo pvp and see how long it took me till i got a kill.

So, i logged in (in highsec), jumpcloned to a lowsec system where i had a frigate (a succubus):

I undock with 7 in local in Ardar, theres 4 t1 frigs in space doing stuff but i cant seem to pointpoint them, also theres a svipul hunting me so after warping around for 1 minute or so with the svipul always following me i decide to move on, i jump into the next system (Flosewin) where i find a hound doing a mission, i go for it but it runs away.

Next i move on to Aset. Theres a retribution and a few stealthbombers on scan, but they all clear out quite quickly, i check the surrounding systems but bar a few herons scanning i cant really find anything. So i move back towards Ardar, i find a few more bombers running the fw missions but they all have a brain and manage to warp out (close call with a manticore within 20km once). Ardar itself is also empty bar an algos doing weird stuff, but it always runs when i arrive on grid (being -10 doesnt help).

Then i jump into Hadozeko, and there we have a rupture somewhere in space, a tristan in a novice and somwhere a caldary navy hookbill and a retribution. I warp in onto the novice, seeing if the tristan has balls (tristans are so easy to use, and people think they are extremely op, that they usually tend to try above their weight) - it does, although i think its more due to him being very new to the game. https://zkillboard.com/kill/59096535/ Its not really fit very well, and its a t1 frig with t1 mods by a new character, but still - first solo kill 17 minutes after logging in.

So i saw the retri and the hookbill on scan ealier and the second the tristan died they both wrote gf in local, which made me curious, dscan was empty for me so i warped to the only complex more then 14 au away (roidiest rage or something), the hookbill is 200km away and the retri 500km. So i decide to burn for the hookbill, it bails when i come within 60km but the retri starts to burn towards me, i oblige and a few minutes later this happens https://zkillboard.com/kill/59096824/ (24 minutes after logging in).

Because i was mean to the hookbill pilot in local, claiming he was a coward for not fighting a turret frigate in a hookbill he asked me to 1v1 him inside the novice - https://zkillboard.com/kill/59096969/ (27 minutes after logging in). Then i logged out.



So no alts, no fleet, nothing but a solo frigate - within 30 minutes i got 3 kills, 2 of them being actual fights. Which leads to my conclusion that solo pvp is perfectly easy to find and you dont even need more then half an hour to get a few GFs.
Sh0plifter
Underworld Property Accounting Partnership
#38 - 2017-01-11 20:33:03 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Solo PVP died when links became on grid.
Lol


Solo still exists. Look over by Amamake on the killboards. Lots of T1 frigates dying to other T1 frigates. Lots of Faction frigates dying to T1 and Faction frigates. But, at the same time people also use the expectation of "solo" to gang **** the **** out of you with 3 of their friends and some griffins.

I know there are a few players who recently started some frigate and dessie PVP characters to go solo around there. Solo though doesn't exist in anything larger than cruisers. Frigates and Destroyers is where to go. Go out, get some cheap 10 to 40m ships. Frag some nerds, get fragged. Buy new ship. Rinse and repeat.

I will note: There are several people who will honor 1v1s in the area as well. Just have to figure out who exactly they are.
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#39 - 2017-01-11 22:27:37 UTC
Amamake sucks though. Its a horrible system.
ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
Pen Is Out
#40 - 2017-01-12 17:45:50 UTC
Sh0plifter wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Solo PVP died when links became on grid.
Lol


Solo still exists. Look over by Amamake on the killboards. Lots of T1 frigates dying to other T1 frigates. Lots of Faction frigates dying to T1 and Faction frigates. But, at the same time people also use the expectation of "solo" to gang **** the **** out of you with 3 of their friends and some griffins.

I know there are a few players who recently started some frigate and dessie PVP characters to go solo around there. Solo though doesn't exist in anything larger than cruisers. Frigates and Destroyers is where to go. Go out, get some cheap 10 to 40m ships. Frag some nerds, get fragged. Buy new ship. Rinse and repeat.

I will note: There are several people who will honor 1v1s in the area as well. Just have to figure out who exactly they are.



Sounds like OP's story does not check out :) we are finding solo PvP is your security status HIGH? that might actually prevent you getting fights anywhere but plexes, because you will have Gate/Station guns on your side, and they are near insta death most frigtes.

If you have high sec status loot or do something to get a suspect / criminal timer.
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