Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Maybe this was proposed before and I am not sure where I should have posted this so here it is anyways. I was thinking that it would be fun that our toon (when in a station) could walk into some sort of “simulator” where you could “virtually” and easily fit a ship (for free), hit the “ready to fight button” and suddenly find your “virtual” ship take part in 15 minutes, small gang, random fleet fights (like the Random battles that currently exist in WoT). Like, you could have a fleet of 15 ships facing (on the same grid) another fleet of the same amount of ships and at the end of a countdown, both fleet just go at it. You could also do one on ones. Even fights involving cap and super cap ships could be generated (and why not, titan fights). Whatever you fly in the sim, loosing your ship in there would not make you loose any of the actual ships and modules you already have in your “real” assets. (Cause Eve is real and the sim won’t be...get it?)

I think this would enable players to refine their PvP skills without the fear of loosing their precious “real” ship(s). People In 0.0 could have the possibility of “practicing” larger fleet fights to test new fleet engagement theories. This is something I though of last night (after reading the minutes) so maybe some of you might add your own thoughts or suggestions to this. I hear a lot of complaints about not enough people wanting to try PvP. IMO this would “encourage” it. Of course some players would probably stick to this a bit to much and never leave station but you would not make any ISK doing this and whatever success you have in the “sim”, the results would never find its way on to official killboards. Or CCP could limit the amount of time someone could stay in the “sims”.

I remember when I was playing Wing Commander, my character could enter a simulator that was pretty much the same thing the game was providing when I was doing the missions. I was able to practice my combat skills without screwing up the storyline.

I know that you can have this on SiSi but not everyone has an uptodate SiSi installed on their computer. Or maybe CCP could find a way to bring what some players seek in SiSi, into the main game.

+1 always thought this would be a really good idea.

It would give eve some sort of 'arena' pvp area, which, while none of us want that to be the primary playground, is something that could get people scared of PVP into it without the risk (or reward), just the fun.

Test server is not 'this' .. Test server is test server.. IMO

i like this idea, theres no reward no risk, just some fun and practice.
i can see pvp corps liking this idea to train their people, plus it can help with strategy.
actually wasn't a tactical sim also suggested?

Depends; will this simulator include a GoonSwarm/PL scenario where you get blobbed by hundreds of players with supercaps?

In sims situated in high sec and low sec stations...No blobs....just even size fleets going at each other in quick battles.

In a simulator situated in a Player Built Station, I would provide flexibility to simulate just about anything....providing you have the people to do it (in terms of numbers of course...and maybe skills).

For PvP the fun is the reward. Rarely is it profitable from an economic standpoint.

As far as the new player experience goes, the main issue is driving home the idea that a cheap fit can be effective. This point could be made easier if CCP reviewed the stats of lower tiered frigates, cruisers and battlecruisers. For instance a 200k ISK meta fit executioner shouldn't be next to worthless since it's dps and cap isn't really comparable to the more viable frigates like the punisher, rifter or incursus. For a 2 week old character that has been running missions, a 200k ISK ship is a fairly disposable investment.

Additionally, the current "PvP" tutorials offered by the career agents do a pretty pathetic job of describing PvP mechanics. It really needs to offer better guidance, it should cover: how to fit a basic PvP frig, how to tackle, speed/tracking/range & larger guns, AB vs MWD mechanics, combating drones, different EWAR, etc. Again, all in cheap stuff, but not in a vacuum.

I suggested something like this in another thread. Basically, a training sim the you can enter and share with the whole of EVE, that only provides one of 3 available options: Lowsec, Highsec, and Nullsec. No more than a Constellation each, providing an instance of real EVE environments; including bordering territories that may not be within the base category, just as with real constellations in EVE.

Gives lots of room for people to fleet and practice; but no risk and no rewards, aside from experience. Of course people are going to jump in and harass practicing Newbs, but so what; they'll just learn to fight a little better and gain a better understanding of the situation in EVE.

I suppose Corps could purchase access to specific instances that encompass no more than one or two systems; just for the sole purpose of training and working on tactics without prying eyes. Spies will pry; but they'll have to spy.

Anyway, good idea.

edit: Should mention, I thought this should be an ISK sink for players. Not a huge one, but access to the Simulation program for players within the game should cost them ISK. Maybe only available at specific stations, like that Entertainment Corporation, (don't remember which one), or others like it. Possibly also at FW stations for members having standings with those factions, or just members of faction warfare.

Should only require a few nodes for the basic High, Low, Null Constellations I think; but any additional Corp or FW instances would require additional nodes, but no great server requirement individually.

edit: Also, was thinking the Sim could be a NeX thing as opposed to ISK. Slots for the Sim system, and credits for it, could be purchased in NeX with AUR. This isn't a pay to win scenario, and doesn't take away from the game in any way, or exclude anyone. NeX tokens can be traded freely on the player market for ISK; and you can always find a use for your Free Aur this way.

Personal Slot on EVE-wide Simulations: 50 AUR; required to access Alliance or Corporate Slots

Corporation Slot on EVE-Wide Simulations: 500 AUR; Mirrors your Corporation over to the Simulation.

Alliance Slot on EVE-Wide Simulations: 3'000 AUR; Mirrors your Alliance over to the Simulation.

100'000'000 Credits for EVE-Wide Simulations: 50 AUR

Personal Slot on Faction Warfare Tactical Simulations: 30 AUR; Specific to each Faction, and used for training purposes.

100'000'000 Credits for Faction Warfare Tactical Simulations: 10 AUR

Corporation Specific Tactical Simulation: 3'500 AUR; Limited to Corporation.

Alliance Specific Tactical Simulation: 10'000 AUR

100'000'000 Credits for Alliance or Corporation Specific Tactical Simulation: 50 AUR

Just an idea. Would make good use of the NeX, and provide some reason to use it beyond clothing and monocles. Also, would help cover the cost of the extra development time, maintenance, and server requirements.

Feel free to freak.

edit: I understand any reservations regarding this last bit. I have reservations myself, but it
s just an idea. Let me know what you think regardless. No need to actually freak though.

Another idea, is for Training Simulations in game. Examples being POS set-up, Moon Harvesting, and various other features.

Remove the time requirements, and just allow people to experiment with configurations and use. Again, no benefits in game, but experience.

The problem is (other than the fact that this has been suggested before, and discussed to death) than it removes risk from EvE. You would get people who do nothing but fight in this simulator, and suddenly without the risk of losing a ship fighting after a while loses it's charm.

What sets Eve apart is that losing a ship means something. You don't just respawn and try again, it is a genuine inconvenience, and that is why fear of losing that ship makes PvP so exciting. Creating artificial practice PvP would draw people away from genuine PvP, and besides, it essentially amounts to instancing.

Anyway, this has been suggested before, and there is no real point discussing it. CCP won't implement it and most of Eve will troll this thread to death over the next day, maybe day and a half.

sweet...

i got a like that lead me to this thread. But i look up and see no post evident

dont you fukken love it when mods delete posts all silent like?

Its like they gave you the option to 'like' posts, but dont trust you, so remove posts they think you cant handle because you are all babies

like this post ftw