EVE General Discussion

Why cant Nestor use covops?
-Cos it has remote rep bonuses.

Why does it have remote rep bonuses instead of covops?
-Cos it would step on the toes of Black Ops ships
-Cos it provides, iirc, the only faction logi BS in the entire game, which is pretty cool.

It has the same racial ship bonuses as the other two SOE ships, and also bonuses for probing/hacking, like them.
So it clearly retains the quintessential SOE flavor.

Its a fantastic ship, with excellent stats and bonuses, for what it is.

Tbh I never liked the implementation of any of these SOE ships, cos they sort of poopooed on cov-ops explorers.
Yes, I am bitter that my Cheetah, albeit faster and with better probe bonuses cos of extensive skilling, is made of tinfoil and categorically combat incapable compared to the Astero...Its my own fault for not training into one (although as Minmatar trained I was SOL anyways).

But I understand CCP wanted to encourage exploration and the ship models are fantastic.
I wish they had made SOE ships so they had universal bonuses from all racial ship skills, but its the past now.

You can draw the conclusion that CCP nerfs based on player opinion if:

1. You look at threads calling for nerfs and conclude cause/effect when in fact CCP used their own data to make the decision.

2. You ignore all the times when they nerfed things "out of the blue" / with no previous player comments.

It's a nice feeling to think that they listen to us and we can influence them, but they don't and we don't. (With words, at least. Behavior is another matter; if everyone flies Svipul and mines in Rorquals, they'll see that in their statistics).

I like the nestor the way it is. Leave it alone.

Because giving anything bigger than a cruiser a covops cloak sets a dangerous ******* precedent and severely cuts in to the role of cruiser and frig class covops ships. Simply being able to warp cloaked means that that battleship no longer needs a scout.

The Nestor's primary role is a low mass logi platform that's better than cruiser logi, worse than capital logi, and allows fleets to refit from it. It also has a massive drone bay, which when used creatively can serve as a pretty effective "drone replacement platform" for the other ships in its line since you can scoop abandoned drones to a bay while in space. 500m3 of drone bay is a LOT of replacement light drones for a little gang of asteros, even if you're mounting some personal meds and heavies for DPS.

This, along with its probing bonuses actually makes it a PERFECT addition to the SOE line, the flavor of which is exploration fleets. The nestor retains the ability to be "home base" for a number of asteros and stratios and efficiently scan sites under the power of its own cloak so that the hacking ships can hack in stead of spend more time scanning. The hacking ships can refit analyzers from that "home base" to swap between relic and data modules, deposit exploration loot, and in the case of hostiles in system rely on the logi and drone dps from it as a rather effective force multiplier for astero and stratios DPS.

It even has decent bonuses to hack cans itself, and as an armor tanked ship has the fitting resources to do so without losing much fighting power. This makes it a highly efficient way to complete many sleeper relic and data sites solo without selling your left testicle and gambling SP on a T3C.

Outside of its "lore" purpose for existing, it is hands down one of the best logi platforms avaliable for hisec warfare and wormhole roaming fleet ops due to its battleship hull size and low mass, and has the unique distinction of being one of very few subcap hulls with both fighting ability and fleet cargo bay.

If anything, the only problem the nestor has is that it costs too much LP.

You probably mean, why can't it covert-ops cloak.

Because the killmail addicts need every possible reason to keep playing the game.

Batman and Ben Affleck.

You can warp while cloaked in the Astero and Stratios... but can't in the Nestor.

But you can REFIT off a Nestor... but can't off the Astero and Stratios.

One hand giveth, the other hand taketh away.

I dunno about clever but it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Sometimes the joke is how wrong a statement is.