EVE General Discussion

If he hangs around long enough to get into CAP ships he's gonna go completely insane.

This.

22 days is nothing in EVE.

OP, your perspective is misaligned by false expectations and gaming industry standards elsewhere.

EVE skill progression takes time, not activity.

This may be difficult to wrap your head around at first, but its a functional, evolved system.

Internalizing this difference is part of the steep learning curve.

Even today, I still catch myself occasionally for thinking of EVE as an action based skilling system due to old habits from other MMOs. Then I remember, relax, do what I want meanwhile, just wait for SP to add up, and feel liberated from grinding.

+1 for good attitude.

Those t2 ships you are looking at are not a "next step" T2 ships represent the end of the line for their effective specializations in virtually every case. There are some edge cases, but for the most part, when you're looking at a T2 ship, it's not a path toward an "endgame" build. It IS the "endgame" build for whatever role it is designed for. The only difference is in ship size classes for the broad categories of "dps ship" and "healer ship" A bigger ship is not a better ship, unless it is also fighting bigger ships, which usually only show up to fight over hard assets like strucutures or EVEN BIGGER ships. Then you've got faction ships which are basically just more expensive versions of existing ships with weird skill or item setups. Faction ships are basically an alternate tier of specialist ships for even more esoteric specialized build. (E.G. the SOE frig/cruiser ships are "all around exploration ships" and gain some combat ability but lose the ability to efficiently function as combat probing ships for fleet intel, or the battleship is basically a "healer battleship" rather than the more combative loadouts of traditional battleships, or the pirate faction ships commonly have strange weapons, propulsion, or other module bonuses that make them better at a specific style of combat that doesn't fit the mold of the empire line ships)

T1 ships, however, are not objectively inferior, but in stead less specialized, often with a greater number of fitting options and able to fill multiple roles where a t2 variant of that ship can only effectively fill one.

That t2 mining frig isn't the "next step" in a mining career. It's the LAST step in one BRANCH of a mining career. It's a ship built for "ninja mining" in extremely dangerous space for extremely high value material where larger, slower vessels can not survive effectively. Its built to fill a role that the other branch of the mining career (barge mining) does not fill, that other branch consisting of barge>exhumer. Then there's a branch from that for mining command vessels, that are shittier at mining, but better at buffing other miners, and so on.

As for the training time, this is an excellent time to start playing EVE because you DO have the ability to directly influence your training speed based on your efficiency now. You can buy skill points from another player, and trying to do so is an important lesson in what EVE is really about. EVE is about ISK and efficiency, not training. Within two or three months you will be highly competitive and effective at a single career path if you focus your training on just that. The people with hundreds of millions of SP aren't really all that much stronger than you once they hit the field from a skills perspective at this point, they're simply more diverse. They've trained the ability to fly more ships,efficiently reporcess and mine more ores, or build more things equally good, not one thing insanely better. ISK efficiency is (or should be) your first consideration in EVE, and deciding to speed up your training by spending that ISK should serve the basic principle of making as much ISK as you can in your chosen task while losing/spending as little as possible. Flying cheap means you can take risks the would be stupid to take in something more expensive, and unlike in the past those cheap ships actually have some things they're straight up better choices for than the more expensive T2s for this reason.

You're coming at the training as an obstacle, but in all honesty it is simply a speed limit, and one that the game encourages you to break by becoming better at the game. Whatever you do in EVE, there's generally only one commonly understood metric of "getting good" at EVE. Making more ISK, and wasting less ISK. You can do that in t1 ships while you figure out what to train for t2 ships. Honestly, if you're new and talking 22 days, you'd be better off training fitting skills and basic ship class skills for your T1s than burning straight toward a t2 hull. You'll have a much broader set of activities avaliable to you, and you'll be able to persue them in quite capable vessels while you figure out whatever your grand scheme is. There's nothing more sad than having wasted more money than you can afford on a ship you can't fit or fly decently because you were in a rush and being FORCED to go back to the t1 ships anyway because your entire wallet was sunk in to something you weren't ready to have blown up.

Excuse me but I was replying to Fleshbits R'Sticky's #1 post. There is nothing there about combat ships.

Apology accepted.

-Viv

I am 43 years old and I don't have a problem with it.

Eve Online is all about the journey, not the destination.

Welcome to Eve...

Perhaps you should stop ship toasting on multiple alts. That way you won't end up looking like even more of a twerp than you already do.