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Tech2 Blueprint Originals

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Xert Trassien
Bunyip Munitions
Ghosts from the Abyss
#21 - 2016-12-17 10:32:22 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
You guys are not responding properly. OP has posted a whine. Gotta goad him more, extract extra salt. This is General Discussion, dammit.


They're not even good enough to troll about anymore. In a generous month, both of my BPOs only generate maybe 20 billion. It's barely worth the effort to plug them in.

I have to wring the rest of my monthly whelp budget out of the taxes on my personal fleet of highsec POCOs and the peasants who use them.



I make 40 bil from my drone bpo collection a month and yes then have to struggle to find the isk for my plex. But Op they are more a buy and keep fpr a while then flip to make a few bil. Tho that not getting easier to do either
Memphis Baas
#22 - 2016-12-17 15:46:14 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
Punishing by receiving it legally?


You know, do your homework if you're going to post.

There were a few BPO's given out before the lottery was disabled. You're looking at something to the tune of once a month, for about a year. Most of the ones that won the BPOs won by chance (i.e. "fairly"), but then Reddit revealed that one of the winners was a personal friend of a dev and got a Miner II BPO as a gift instead of random dice roll.

So the question was, why punish those who got it fairly just because one person cheated.

Now you're full of envy for the 11 or so people who managed to get BPOs, and we've tried to explain to you that the invention system has made BPO's obsolete, but you're not dropping it.

There is no precedent of CCP forcefully removing non-exploit items out of people's hangars. Chremoas are ships given out only to a few people, extremely rare, worth billions; should they be removed? No. There's all sorts of examples like this, where some players either worked hard and won something, or they just got lucky and won something, so stop being envious and get used to it.

Tell you what, the gifts we're getting this Christmas are somewhat random. Some people are getting some skins, others are getting other skins. Newbie corvette skin vs. Svipul skin. How's your luck been? Post here so we can rub it in your face.
ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#23 - 2016-12-17 17:47:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ACESsiggy
Memphis Baas wrote:
So the question was, why punish those who got it fairly just because one person cheated.


-- This has nothing to do with punishing players. The mechanic of how Tech 2 blueprints are obtained was changed. If you're going to change something, do it across the board.

Memphis Baas wrote:
Now you're full of envy.


-- Far from it but if I need someone to talk to, I'll make sure to message you in game lol


Memphis Baas wrote:
There is no precedent of CCP forcefully removing non-exploit items out of people's hangars. Chremoas are ships given out only to a few people, extremely rare, worth billions; should they be removed?.


-- Again, the game mechanic for tech2 blueprints was changed. Relating a game mechanic of how items are created and sold on the market to a Christmas gifts is ...... (insert dialogue here). Though I wouldn't mind making a couple thousand Chremoas with a BPO.

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”

Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#24 - 2016-12-17 20:11:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Shayla Etherodyne
ACESsiggy wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
So the question was, why punish those who got it fairly just because one person cheated.


-- This has nothing to do with punishing players. The mechanic of how Tech 2 blueprints are obtained was changed. If you're going to change something, do it across the board.

Memphis Baas wrote:
Now you're full of envy.


-- Far from it but if I need someone to talk to, I'll make sure to message you in game lol


Memphis Baas wrote:
There is no precedent of CCP forcefully removing non-exploit items out of people's hangars. Chremoas are ships given out only to a few people, extremely rare, worth billions; should they be removed?.


-- Again, the game mechanic for tech2 blueprints was changed. Relating a game mechanic of how items are created and sold on the market to a Christmas gifts is ...... (insert dialogue here). Though I wouldn't mind making a couple thousand Chremoas with a BPO.



I still have an Enyo called "Scope gift". When I started we hadn't loyalty points but it was possible to get T2 frigates as gift from the corporations. So my ship was received as a gift from Scope it it has survived to this day. It should be removed because no one can receive T2 frigates that way nowadays?

I received a daredevil BPC from a rat wandering in a combat mission in high sec while I was mining a omber asteroid. If it was still alive it should be removed because in high sec wandering rats don't drop BPC anymore?

You are full of envy and rage for what you don't have, without any idea of what it do or what was done to receive the items legally.
You follow very well today political settings, but most people doing that live in an illusionary world where simple solutions to complex problem exist.
ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#25 - 2016-12-17 21:08:08 UTC
Shayla Etherodyne wrote:


I still have an Enyo called "Scop gift". When I started we hadn't loyalty points but it was possible to get T2 frigates as gift from the corporations. So my ship was received as a gift from Scope it it has survived to this day. It should be removed because no one can receive T2 frigates that way nowadays?

I received a daredevil BPC from a rat wandering in a combat mission in high sec while I was mining a omber asteroid. If it was still alive it should be removed because in high sec wandering rats don't drop BPC anymore?

You are full of envy and rage for what you don't have, without any idea of what it do or what was done to receive the items legally.
You follow very well today political settings, but most people doing that live in an illusionary world where simple solutions to complex problem exist.


Do you still receive the "scope gift" or create anymore in the game through industry? lol

Congrats on the daredevil bpc drop. Nice loot man.

There is no envy or rage bud.







“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”

Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#26 - 2016-12-17 21:56:47 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
Shayla Etherodyne wrote:


I still have an Enyo called "Scop gift". When I started we hadn't loyalty points but it was possible to get T2 frigates as gift from the corporations. So my ship was received as a gift from Scope it it has survived to this day. It should be removed because no one can receive T2 frigates that way nowadays?

I received a daredevil BPC from a rat wandering in a combat mission in high sec while I was mining a omber asteroid. If it was still alive it should be removed because in high sec wandering rats don't drop BPC anymore?

You are full of envy and rage for what you don't have, without any idea of what it do or what was done to receive the items legally.
You follow very well today political settings, but most people doing that live in an illusionary world where simple solutions to complex problem exist.


Do you still receive the "scope gift" or create anymore in the game through industry? lol

Congrats on the daredevil bpc drop. Nice loot man.

There is no envy or rage bud.


I am still using that Enyo, a character of mine is using it in the SOE story arc for fun, so I am still benefiting for the gift.
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#27 - 2016-12-17 22:48:52 UTC
Don't be silly. I'll play along a bit.

1. A new national Lucky Draw opens. The winner gets a special edition Lamborghini, that you can only get through lucky draw, as they are not sold on the market.

2. Winners are chosen by RNG and prize Lamborghinis are awarded

3. This went on for one year.

4. Then there was a scandal, that one of the lucky draw instance was 'rigged', and the crooked insiders have rigged the draw to gift a limited edition Lamborghini to a particular individual

5. Lamborghini says, ok no more lucky draws, sorry, we apologise, but we make these cars available for you to buy on market - no they are not exactly same as the original limited editions, but they perform pretty well enough, and probably makes more sense to buy than buying the original editions from the lucky draws

6. Then you come along and say - hey destroy all the original limited edition lamborghinis that were legitimately won through lucky draw, and since then changed ownership through legitimate transactions (via auctions etc) as collector's items - because, well, baaaaaaahhh?


I like this. Because some people really want to make it sound like they are complaining about something as matter of principle, not because of :salt: and being poor. But in reality that's all there is to it. Salt and being poor.

If you really don't like T2 BPOs. BUY THEM ALL AND TRASH THEM.

Otherwise STFU. ;)


Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!

SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2016-12-18 01:22:33 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Toobo wrote:


4. Then there was a scandal, that one of the lucky draw instance was 'rigged', and the crooked insiders have rigged the draw to gift a limited edition Lamborghini to a particular individual

5. Lamborghini says, ok no more lucky draws, sorry, we apologise, but we make these cars available for you to buy on market - no they are not exactly same as the original limited editions, but they perform pretty well enough, and probably makes more sense to buy than buying the original editions from the lucky draws



It's worth noting that the scandal really wasn't the reason for the end of the BPO lottery.

The trouble with the BPO distribution mechanism is that it meant there was a finite amount of production capability for T2 items in the game. This was problematic for a variety of reasons.

-It was easy to form price fixing cartels by buying up all or most of a given BPO (cap recharger IIs were profoundly expensive for a while because of this).

-This also made it hopeless for smaller entities to effectively break into T2 production, because once such a cartel got ahold of them, they were never letting go of that cash cow.

-Distribution had to be manually modulated. Suppose someone left the game with their huge cache of BPOs? Distribute more? Or nobody gets, e.g., Cap Recharger IIs anymore? Take the existing ones back? What if they come back to the game? How do you accommodate a growing population with a finite number of BPOs? Supply couldn't smoothly scale to meet demand.

Invention fully addressed these problems. Supply can be scaled to meet any demand, it's impossible to monopolize the production of an item, and it's accessible at a wide range of budgets and production capabilities.

They didn't remove the BPOs because the BPOs were never the problem - distributing T2 production capability was the problem.

If you're still ass-sore about them, you are, of course, welcome to buy them up and trash them, but since they're not causing a problem, yet are still a relatively large "store" of perceived value, you can't expect them to just be poofed out of existence. ;)

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Toobo
Project Fruit House
#29 - 2016-12-18 05:44:22 UTC
SurrenderMonkey - yeah good points. The reason why I put it that way is because the OP's argument is based on the principle that 'some' of these BPO distribution was 'rigged'. As you know there have been many (surprisingly less now though) whines about how T2 BPO 'ruin the market', in which case your explanation is very good for those audiences. I used my example specifically designed to show how ridiculous OP's post is, not to explain the reality of T2 BPO in the matket. :)

Personally I NEVER got this T2 BPO hate/salt. They are actually very affordable in many ways. Most T2 BPOs (even with prices that have become funny over the years) are cheaper than a Titan, of which there are so many in EVE. Some of the not so stellar BPOs are similar or even cheaper than a Super, which there are even more in the game. Any established player or corp capable of running cap production have enough budget for T2 BPO, if they wanted.

Anyways, as for my last words 'buy them and trash them', it's just generally what I think. I don't really respect people who demand changes using their words only. If someone is really committed to making changes I expect him to put his money into it. I have similar view IRL too.

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!

Scath Bererund
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2016-12-18 14:05:49 UTC
Its about time T2 BPOs where removed from the game.

They mostly date back to a time CCP openly cheated and gave thier frends items in game.

Now they just make invention of some items unprofitable as they can sell 10/20 copies
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2016-12-18 17:41:02 UTC
Scath Bererund wrote:
Its about time T2 BPOs where removed from the game.

They mostly date back to a time CCP openly cheated and gave thier frends items in game.

Now they just make invention of some items unprofitable as they can sell 10/20 copies


I'm curious: Do you actually do invention?

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