EVE General Discussion

Alpha clones are of course the free alternative to Omegas, but are still mixed in to the well experienced and vastly overpowered (compared to Alphas) players of New Eden. This is a minor explanation of what it's like as well as reference to other games.

Combat:

Combat against NPC's is easy enough, there are alpha ships that can destroy sleepers (solo) in time. The only issue is with players. It's not the "ganks" that are a problem but the resources they have available. They have high end warp scramblers that can not be countered by most Alphas without extreme penalty (such as targeting taking 1-2 minutes) as well as the shear amount of DPS they produce. Beyond that, even in an expensive, top quality fighter, an Alpha has no real shot of winning and the loss is unrecoverable... which leads to the next topic

Money Making:

New players have the capability to mine, yes, but are limited to high security space where NPCs and players alike cause problems. A venture at best can mine roughly 180 meters cube per miner, with 2 miners to a ship. Doing all the bonuses and such you could fill your ore hold in 14 minutes. With this, you could in theory make plex in a month, but it requires 5 hours per weekday and 16 hours on weekends. That is all assuming you can find enough ore to mine. Players that are Omega status tend to mine out all the ore in high sec leaving the low priced veldspar. If that isn't enough, the NPCs do tend to take even the veldspar.

Here's the math: With all skills, tier 2 modules, 1 miner could get perhaps 186 cubic meters for a total of 372. A venture has an ore capacity of 5000, so O/M = 13.44 minutes. with 5h = 300m and 16h = 960m. With 5h you can get 22 loads with an EST of 800K totaling 17.6 million and 5h, 22L, at 500K is 11 million (giving an ERR of 62.5%). on weekends you get 71 loads at 800K = 56.8 million. with the 62.5% ERR is actually 35.5 million. In all you would make 806.4 million per month making mining a waste. (short term math was used)

With industry it gets far tougher as to make a living you need at least zydrine, which is a low, null, and dead sec ore. This makes it tougher to get enough materials as the venture is destroyed before it can warp away, even with shield extenders it would still pop in seconds. Dead sec ( negative security space for you eve players) is actually easier than low and null. I myself resort to dead sec mining though I have more knowledge than a fresh player (not even close to a vet). Mining in dead sec is plausible but if you take in a combat ship you will lose a lot of isk, this brings up a second topic in cash...

Fighting for isk is what you do if mining is too boring for you but the issue is that if you leave high sec you will killed by a player. Regardless of your ship an Omega will beat you, so, you are limited to high sec as in null sec a combat ship is not viable or capable enough to survive . Fitting to fight a player makes you easier to kill by NPCs, and fitting for NPCs makes you an easy player target.

Comparison:

Compare this to CCP's old DUST514. The game was of the eve universe, an FPS and how I know about eve. What made DUST good was the fact that a new player, fresh out of the clone vat could annihilate a 3 year vet. Eve does not have that, in eve a new player vs vet is able to be calculated and decided in seconds without firing a single shot, victory and defeat is not by chance but mathematically determined and predictable. And mind you, DUST was free to play, compare it to Eve F2P. DUST was... well... hell, CCP tried out the experience and failed, putting things behind pay walls or giving vets mass amounts of over powered weapons (I.E. a sniper rifle that with all bonuses could deal 1500 damage per shot where the max hp anyone could attain was maybe 1800. they also made all grenades do instant kill damage, even "civilian ones" as you would call it) Showing CCP has not had enough experience with this model to actually balance this. In other words, alphas will be useless for 1 year, then they get 1 new range of ships, then more, then more unbalance then most possible, cancel clone states and revert to subs. Another upside to DUST, you were not limited to your races items, an Amarr could wear Matari, Cala, and Gal armor, guns, stims, etc.

The Reason

These are not mere complaints but proof that this game is not for people new to EVE and is not plausible for CCP at this point
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Personal Note

I have always wanted a version of this game offline but there is none, though, with what I have seen from Alpha states the so called "No Man's Sky" is essentially Eve (from an Alpha view) Perhaps a PVE server where PVP Does not exist? (restricting Alpha's to this) or an offline Version to be sold for 60 or 80 dollars?

I myself am not quitting game but not because I like it, because games like this trigger a specific addiction that makes it near impossible to quit playing it. MOBA addict is it? or Minecraft addict I suppose. Should this thread be in the wrong place and deleted a copy will placed in the correct section.

Lastly, Galente is a vet race, they know it is the strongest, has the best carrying capacity, etc. a lot of those Gal's are alts. Caldari is and always will be hard mode as you choose between survivability, dps, or capability, you can never truly have both. Caldari is my main, both on here and on DUST.

Do post your feelings of alpha, do note I will not be viewing this thread again, I know there are trolls and Eve universe vets are shall we say, les than kind to threads like this?

WTF is this? An "I quit" post devoid of tears or rage? How is this possible?

The people are what make this universe, man. Trust me, it'd get boring real fast without "these" people. Eve is pretty awesome the way it is. My personal gripe – I only wish I had more time to play it.

Also, No Man's Sky made me abhor early access, and it still isn't that great after the foundation update.

Erm, no. New players who hide in NPC corps are limited to highsec. New players with the balls to go join a player corp can go just about anywhere in Eve.

Saying this as a long term industrialist who was trapped in highsec with my corp for the first year: you can still buy high ends cheap. You just need to work out where to buy, and if you can't get them locally at a good price, go speak to ppl selling. Even the most determined solo indy player can think around this and find a solution.


You can get killed in highsec too. Newbros who leave highsec early have access to free ships and skillbooks from the better organised groups, and in some cases SRP. Dying is not the end of the world. The risk vs reward increase means you make more ISK for that risk than sitting in empire grinding your way up in boring, meaningless gameplay.

Rookies pwning vets would be gamebreaking here in some ways, and if you can't work out why you need to take a step back and have a think about existing mechanics. Vets would unsub en masse if rookies could wtfpwn them, and it would completely undermine their time investment. But that said, really good players can beat the crap out of vets even with a skills deficit. Don't forget skills accrue with a massive reduction in efficiency, and some vets are complete numpties.


Actually, there is and always has been. Players play an offline version of this game in forums and 3rd party apps. But ye, long term hopefully CCP will release some sort of mini-game (PI has always been mentioned in relation to this) that is mobile and tablet friendly. In the meantime, try checking forums because there are actual word campaigns being fought which are highly entertaining.


We're not all trolls. Some of us tease expecting the person we are teasing to take it in good fun, then they burst into tears, wtf are we supposed to do? A sharp retort or criticism is to be expected online, and so what? If you can't handle it, don't engage in the discussion in the first place, or do, but learn to strip out the abrasive parts to get to the point. I really don't see the point of starting a topic then remarking that you won't reply because you've flounced off to sit in your safe-spot. We're not going to beat you up just for remarking, lmao. And if we do, maybe it's because the argument is weak. That's not a personal attack, and there's really no need to take it as such.

As far as proofs go, this seems to be missing quite a few elements.

Actually, the fact that we were all new once, and are still here, is proof that your 'proof' is wrong.

People keep making the mistake in thinking that EVE is a spaceship game with industry and stuff. It's not. Those people will, sooner or later, realise that EVE is not for them which is fine.

Perhaps CCP should simply lock all posts where free-loaders complain about having free access to the game?

If free-loaders do not like Eve when it is free, then I politely suggest that Eve is not for them.