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WTS eve (really?)

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#181 - 2016-12-11 10:07:24 UTC
The Devils Cousin wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up...


If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold



How?

Kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas?

(I feel like burning stuff now)

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#182 - 2016-12-11 10:46:09 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If you would look at CCP's lineup, the money is in their newer developments. Eve Online is the aging showgirl. She's got legacy, experience, and tenure. But she's just getting old too.

I don't think CCP would be bought for Eve Online. Heck the F2P/P2W monetization effort looks like it was done to make it less of a drag on the overall portfolio.

The risk here is, what would happen to EO? Would a new owner see only a future in the other products and "dump that old MMO"?

As I said before, the old models of MMO is becoming a drag compared to skill and equipment customization options seen in other games that lack grind and drama. It appears to have started around 2010. Game developers are not as static as some of their classes and functions. They observe and adapt. Gear and skill customization in FPS games was a big hit. In Eve Online it took time, and lots of it, until skill extraction/injection. In WoW there was skill grinding. I left WoW at the end of 2007 (almost a decade!) but I to even think of "crafting" makes me want to burn things.

Now I know what will come from this "Hurf blurf!!! Quick gratification! HTFU!"

Sorry, but grinding and waiting just to die in a fire was never "good game" (except for at best 400K people who like abuse). The thing ultimately is this: we are talking about a GAME here. While quick gratification may be a bad thing IRL (see r/K selection theory), it's not going to hurt anything by steering for it in a GAME. That is, people log in to play a game and want to be entertained. They have all day at their jobs and other obligations to be making longer term investments and make an effort towards faith, patience, and perseverance. So they do enough of that IRL to pay their bills, make those grades, support their families.

They don't want to log into a game just to get more of that during what little spare time they might have.

I foresee a future where the Eve Online MMO is going to go by the wayside. No "eve is dying" though. The "brand" will go on for a long time. Heck a day will come when kids are playing some Eve-based VR stuff or FPS/combat and we'll be saying "yeah back in my day, it was a subscription MMO system and it took a while to get into a fight, needing time to get skills and materials to build and fly ships".

They will think we were crazy.


What I hope for personally is that the Eve "brand" expands outside of the bounds of the dinosaur MMO model and the genre continues on that vector that it appeared to be edging towards some years ago. Someone at one time did have that dream, that this would be more than a game. It was to be a community, with an entire storyline, and a history. There were chronicles, novels, live events that players would make history in, etc.

But the player base said "muh ISK/stats everything else is a waste!" and they started having tantrums. CCP listened.

The game got boring because it was just a game after all that. Then players started to realize they could weaponize that boredom. From that came the Great Malaise of 2014 and the golden age is not coming back.

But I don't think this is the end. We might lose the MMO. An idea that at one time might have seemed impossible. After all, all that time building SP - oh wait it does not take time now, and existing SP can be "converted" to something else.
So can ISK.
So bittervets are not going to be shown the door. They will still be bitter though. Maybe some aspect of legacy Eve will always be kept around as a low priority so vets can ship spin and grimace at everything else, saying things like "these damned kids today don't know what they are missing!".


EVE is fading away because it's old, outdated, and comitted to never change that. They have a core custoemr base and gave up on the rest of the playerbase. In my eyes, as one of the players left behind, CCP could had split its efforts and keep everybody happy with their subscription money. Make Citadel 10% less awesome for PvP multiplayers and do something for the PvE, highsec and solo crowds. But that's the past. EVE's future is already written, and probably it will go into maintenance mode by 2018 once they finish the Rubicon Plan. Maybe this would had happen no matter the what; maybe adding new PvE dungeons with each release would just caused a greater disappointment on PvE players by giving them hopes that CCP appreciate their playstyle.

Anyone buying CCP should be aware of this. CCP's main asset is profitable but in a irreversible decline and their new assets are in a high risk market with dim prospects and dangerous competition. Also that potential buyer should know that CCP can't revert the decline of EVE Online because that decline is a natural consequence of CCP's corporate culture, and changing that corporate culture would quickly destroy the software's ability to keep working. So if you buy EVE Online, you buy it as a declining legacy MMO with a few good years left before dying. CCP can't un-CCP EVE Online, and what was once CCP'ed will die CCP'ed.

CCP has proven time and again that they're a one trick pony. But, what SPLENDIFEROUS trick they pulled! Lol
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#183 - 2016-12-11 11:13:48 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The Devils Cousin wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up...


If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold



How?

Kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas?

(I feel like burning stuff now)


Blizz may do silly things that traditional EVE players absolutely hate, but they do have incredible record of commercial success.

EVE may change in a way that makes all bitter vets leave, but I would be very confident that it would be a game with a lot more players logged on doing silly little things like you've described.

It will no longer be EVE as we know it, but it will be a very commercially successful game, and will attract many more players than we've ever seen in this game.

I probably get flamed for saying it, but if I can kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas, and then earn some ISK and use that to buy new emotes for my avatar, I probably stick around. Big smile

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!

Singur Augurao
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#184 - 2016-12-11 12:57:34 UTC
I feel like not even starting the game :(
Kiaksar2142
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2016-12-11 13:12:22 UTC
seriously most of ideas here are completely insane...
We dont know a ****. why we should think that EVE is done?
and as you know, EVE is "dead" since 2003! And EVE is "dying" after ANY damn update CCP is realeasing.....
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#186 - 2016-12-11 13:45:06 UTC
I think that company that would buy them to close them would have to be very, very rich. So rich they would become crazy from all this wealth. Lol
2Sonas1Cup
#187 - 2016-12-11 14:28:34 UTC
The Devils Cousin wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up...


If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold


I can not wait for this day any longer, tired of CCP and their orthodox methods of dealing with game community of 2016.
That is the biggest reason why this game isnt anymore the game it once was.

And that is where blizzard shines the most, they know how to deal with their players perfectly and they know what people want and need, contrary to the "old fart" called ccp.
Singur Augurao
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#188 - 2016-12-11 15:51:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Singur Augurao
I have it on good authority that Andy Lunique from Microsoft is on a plane to iceland for high level talks as we speak. (yesterday)

Source: someone posted this on reddit.
Kiaksar2142
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2016-12-11 16:43:08 UTC
Ok if this is really Microsoft, they will want to buy only VR technology. believe me!
not EVE Online. thats for sure. its just not Microsoft's profile...
Astraxo Ablon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#190 - 2016-12-11 17:09:51 UTC
I am out. History speaks for it self. Cry
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#191 - 2016-12-11 19:01:45 UTC
Astraxo Ablon wrote:
I am out. History speaks for it self. Cry
Astraxo Ablon [Date of Birth: 2016-11-28 03:43]

After all the blood, sweat and tears you put into the game.

It'll be real shame to see you go.

Mr Epeen Cool
Snyzer Erata
State War Academy
Caldari State
#192 - 2016-12-11 22:49:23 UTC
Toobo wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The Devils Cousin wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up...


If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold



How?

Kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas?

(I feel like burning stuff now)


Blizz may do silly things that traditional EVE players absolutely hate, but they do have incredible record of commercial success.

EVE may change in a way that makes all bitter vets leave, but I would be very confident that it would be a game with a lot more players logged on doing silly little things like you've described.

It will no longer be EVE as we know it, but it will be a very commercially successful game, and will attract many more players than we've ever seen in this game.

I probably get flamed for saying it, but if I can kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas, and then earn some ISK and use that to buy new emotes for my avatar, I probably stick around. Big smile


Blizzard sucks. I've never understood the success of wow. The game was an everquest clone. EQ had similar quests, EQ had similar raids, EQ had similar group style. Actually EQ2 is far superior than WoW.

Actually diablo 3 also sucked but people play it by pure fanboyism.

If blizzard buy eve, they do not need to change anything in the game. Blizzard fanboys would simply start playing eve by pure fanboyism.

Please excuse any grammatical errors and sorry for any misspellings. English is not my native language. I'm from brazil.

Krima Sumyungi
Perkone
Caldari State
#193 - 2016-12-11 23:33:14 UTC
Kiaksar2142 wrote:
Ok if this is really Microsoft, they will want to buy only VR technology. believe me!
not EVE Online. thats for sure. its just not Microsoft's profile...


Yup. Every mmo Microsoft has ever been involved with either never made it to launch, or died a fiery death afterwards.
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
#194 - 2016-12-11 23:45:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Toobo wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The Devils Cousin wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up...


If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold



How?

Kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas?

(I feel like burning stuff now)


Blizz may do silly things that traditional EVE players absolutely hate, but they do have incredible record of commercial success.

EVE may change in a way that makes all bitter vets leave, but I would be very confident that it would be a game with a lot more players logged on doing silly little things like you've described.


EVE is already a commercial success. It doesn't need the same numbers WOW got to be that. People are quick to forget that EVE is a good year older than WOW as well. I realise that a lot of people think that if a lot of people like something, it must be good, but that's simply not true. A lot of people like Justin Bieber and One Direction, too. Popularity =/= quality. The problem is, the vast majority of people are actually just blind to what quality is. They're very simple. You can hand them a hotdog, tell em it's a gourmet meal, and they'll believe it. Then you take em to a gourmet restaurant, and they'll wonder why hotdogs aren't on the menu.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#195 - 2016-12-11 23:49:12 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The Devils Cousin wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up...


If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold



How?

Kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas?

(I feel like burning stuff now)


Could be far worse than that:

"You alone are the capsuleer who will defend New Eden from the Drifter Legions!"

(I have a dislike of the "chosen one" trope)
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#196 - 2016-12-12 00:16:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadget Helmsdottir
Snyzer Erata wrote:


Blizzard sucks. I've never understood the success of wow. The game was an everquest clone. EQ had similar quests, EQ had similar raids, EQ had similar group style. Actually EQ2 is far superior than WoW.

Actually diablo 3 also sucked but people play it by pure fanboyism.

If blizzard buy eve, they do not need to change anything in the game. Blizzard fanboys would simply start playing eve by pure fanboyism.


To understands WoW's popularity you need to understand two things.

First, WoW changed the genre. For all of EverQuests's name... Questing wan't how you progressed. Grinding mobs was how it was done before WoW. Also, in WoW multiple classes could 'solo' to the end game using the questing system rather than just a few. And Multi-boxing, actually took multiple boxes to do. This meant that players didn't have to fumble around finding a group. Just jump in by yourself and go, and keep going until you were 60 and then were introduced to End-Game play.

Second, Warcraft the RTS was popular, and Blizzard drove that Hype train and was able to reach non-MMO players.

These two things made WoW most people's first MMO, so it set the standard.
And, to be honest, for what it was at the time, it wasn't a bad game. Sure, my EvE instincts scoff at playing it now, but when it first came out... it was fun. Even coming directly from Shadowbane.

It was fun because regular gamers of all ilks could gravitate to WoW and enjoy themselves. My Warhammer friends were drawn in from the table-top strategy side, as were my RTS friends (usually the same peeps). My PnP friends balked at video games in general, but this was something that we could play together and didn't take a second life's worth of time in order to succeed.

Also... WoW moved smoother than earlier MMO's... Cartoony, but that made it easier to look polished. The bit of silliness and humor helped as well.

Now, times have changed, and we've got newer and snazzier stuff on the market. Much of it came in on WoW's coattails trying to earn a buck through copying the WoW formula, some came trying to knock WoW of place. Many didn't last the time of a single WoW expansion...

WoW has earned it's place in history. Love it or hate it, it's going to be a marker from now on, even after it shuts down.

--Gadget

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."

Orlacc
#197 - 2016-12-12 01:24:53 UTC
dhunpael wrote:
Would be interesting to get an answer from the devs


Devs probably know as muchas we do....

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Alessienne Ellecon
Doomheim
#198 - 2016-12-12 03:12:09 UTC
Lasisha Mishi wrote:
considering EVE and WoW are 2 long running games

i'd bet activision has all its staff currently looking into how to get in on it.

i don't know if that scares me or not.....


Either way, it would be yet another reason to punch Bobby Kotick in his stupid smug face.

"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica

If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.

MAS0RAKSH
Doomheim
#199 - 2016-12-12 04:43:41 UTC  |  Edited by: MAS0RAKSH
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
MAS0RAKSH wrote:
CCP giving some detail might be a good thing. Saying nothing gives the impression that whoever it is, they don't want a part of eve, but the whole enchilada for almost a bil. they're not a charity and will want a good return on investment which means milking the players for as much as we're willing to tolerate.

was gonna have a $1k custom build PC ordered today, but read that little bit of news and didn't. thanks CCP for declining to comment. hungry children in asia and mexico building cheap parts aren't going to eat tonight.


No worries,
GadgetCorp has ya covered!

Once I get off work.

Fridays are toooo long at this time of year.

--Bored Gadget



i lol'd, this system was built in July 2008 with a brand new Amd Athlon 64 x2 6000+ 3.1 Ghz. I ordered the system after all -gotta feed those kids- and for all I know you're building it.
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#200 - 2016-12-12 04:54:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Toobo
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Toobo wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The Devils Cousin wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up...


If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold



How?

Kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas?

(I feel like burning stuff now)


Blizz may do silly things that traditional EVE players absolutely hate, but they do have incredible record of commercial success.

EVE may change in a way that makes all bitter vets leave, but I would be very confident that it would be a game with a lot more players logged on doing silly little things like you've described.


EVE is already a commercial success. It doesn't need the same numbers WOW got to be that. People are quick to forget that EVE is a good year older than WOW as well. I realise that a lot of people think that if a lot of people like something, it must be good, but that's simply not true. A lot of people like Justin Bieber and One Direction, too. Popularity =/= quality. The problem is, the vast majority of people are actually just blind to what quality is. They're very simple. You can hand them a hotdog, tell em it's a gourmet meal, and they'll believe it. Then you take em to a gourmet restaurant, and they'll wonder why hotdogs aren't on the menu.


Ramiel, I see what you mean, and I don't honestly think Blizzard will 'mkae EVE better', and that's why I said they may be 'successful' with it, but it probably won't be EVE we love now.

And I won't argue with you on the 'quality' aspect of your point either. I will never try to 'defend' thr 'quality' of Justin Bieber's music (lol). But I highly doubt Justin Bieber cares about this either when he looks at his bank account. Personally, if I could, I wouldn't mind making sh1t music and doing silly dance, if that earns me a few million $ per year.

That's all I meant. Blizzard has a knack for finding/making something that has mass appeal that's very easy for the casual and non initiates to the genre can immediately jump onboard and enjoy, and most importantly, cough up cash for.

That's all I meant. I don't think they (or anyone else) will do EVE 'better' than CCP. But just from purely commercial point of view they could probably increase the subs more and make more money out of it, which probably kills EVE as we know it and the people who love it mow may all leave it, but they could probably make it a successful commercial project

EDIT: That is NOT to say EVE hasn't been a success so far, but in this capitalist world we live in, there's always more money to be made, and if there is possibility to make more, companies would do things to achieve that goal. Surely CCP can mill more money out of it too, I bet they are capable of it. But despite my cycinism, I do believe they do care about at least keeping EVE as EVE, so so far they are not milking it to the extent that ruins the game. If acquires by another company though, it is entirely possible that a new owner won't mind milking it to death within X number of years as they see fit, if they feel that it makes more financial sense for them/suit their need.

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!