EVE General Discussion

Was flying a Bestower (on the way) out of low-sec. Got ambushed at the gate by a lone Loki, which killed my ship (pod got away).

My only question is how he was able to warp disrupt me (he also webbed me, so that's at least two different mid-slot modules used). I had every low fitted with a warp core stabilizer. That would have been six of those puppies.

I accessed the kill mail, but as far as I know it doesn't show his entire ship fit, just the weapon used to kill me (some kind of heavy artillery).

I don't care so much about the ship - I expect to have losses, it was fully insured, and I consider it a 'cost of doing business' (luckily it had no cargo as well). I just apparently don't know the mechanics of warp disruption or scrambling, so I'd like someone to explain this for my future reference. I would have thought that it would have required a small camp with several people hitting me with disruptors to have stopped me from warping off.

Thanks.

Also if he had 2x of the dread/fed navy ect.... warp scrams they are 3 points each.


Edit: Ya know you could just pm the guy and ask also. People are usually nice if you ask questions after a kill in a non rage induced manner :)

I'm sorry but I looked up on the kill, and I think I know which one you are talking about. From What I see, yes you had 6 stabs, which means the solo Loki needs 7+ points on you, which I think is an unlikely scenario, considering that he also webbed you.

But looking at your fit, you only have 1 shield extender, with no hardener or damage control, which means your EM resist is 0. He did 3,800 ish damage on you, and it is quite possible that he got you with one volley with max alpha fit Loki with EMP ammo loaded.

If you get 'one shot', or cannot tank the incoming damage long enough for you to warp away, then the points/stabs don't matter at all. For example, if it takes you 5 seconds to warp, and if anything can kill you in less than 5 seconds, than the point is unnecessary, because you cannot get away in less than 5 seconds anyway with or without points.

Anyways, in your case, since he applied web on you in what looks like you coming off cloak at a gate, your warp time must have been shorter than the usual (because of the web), which makes me think that he must have got you with one volley.

Look up insta-lock max alpha artie Lokis. They can lock you very fast & alpha you off if you are not tanked enough to withstand the initial alpha. No amount of stabs will save you there if you don't have enough EHP to take that alpha damage.

EDIT; Above poster basically gave you the same answer while I was writing this heh. Consider this confirmed.

"instaloki"

When I read the OP, and saw the answers, I was going to say exactly this. This cannot be emphasised enough. Instead of, "I died and this game sucks and all the players are sociopaths," you asked how to improve yourself and learn, and as a result, avoid this happening again in the future. That willingness to learn is not just commendable, but also powerful. After all, knowledge is power. You'll go far in this game.

All too often I see industrial players say, "I don't want to PVP so I don't need to learn it." Here we have an example of exactly why you should learn it, whether you shoot at other ships or not. Understanding PVP means you learn how best to mitigate the risks you take.

Yes totally. Not as heavily camped as it used to be, but still often enough to not jump in there if you aren't prepared fully.

@OP: An alternate route into OMS from Villore is:

Allamotte -> Vifrevaert (lowsec) -> Ladistier -> Old Man Star

Only a couple of extra jumps, but never camped and easy to slip into OMS that way.

People get really confused when I tell 'em I run missions and DEDs. "But, aren't you a PVP'er?" Why yes, yes I am, and all my ships are fit for PVP, including the neut-fit Noctis I use to salvage missions and sites, because that Talwar that came to try to kill me the other day would have succeeded if it wasn't PVP fit. Instead, I killed him, and his pod, and finished salvaging and looting my site, in addition to his wreck.

This is also why I tell people, "PVE'ers are not carebears. PVE'ing is not carebearing". Where I do my PVE, in lowsec, your ship loss is that one moment you forgot to check dscan, and that DED you really want? If you're not PVP fit while running it, someone is going to come and either kill you, take the site for themselves, or both. Me? I'd prefer to be able to defend my claim, not run away from it.

I always used to do it with the prototype cloak fine - BUT I was pretty much always fleeted up with my boosting alt that had the skirmish bonus for align time, etc. and all my characters fly with the 5% align bonus implant unless the slot is required for something relevant to capital ships so not sure if that changed the equation - people have told me in the past it shouldn't be possible even with but I was doing it frequently (if it wasn't working those hauler alts would have had a fair few loss mails :D )

Are you sure he wasn't just bumping you out of alignment? not always easy to tell if you aren't looking for it especially in the heat of the moment.

My Loki has 4 mids, which means if I skimp on prop, I can get a range-bonused web and three faction scrams and/or disruptors, more than enough to stop you from warping. In lowsec though, on a gatecamp, I'd just use a sebo'd Phobos.