Player Features and Ideas Discussion

How did you get pointed in the first place with local and d-scan? You reship to a PvP ship in a POS/citadel to bait the cloaky person, then call your friends in once you point him while you're pretending to still be PvEing.

Easy if you're in fleet and on comms 24/7. I've said that more than a few times.

It's hard to get caught if you're paying attention without local in WHs. I for the life of me don't understand how NSers get caught in PvE, and you are still calling for nerfs to make that easier.

I'm glad I at least understand your logic with that standpoint Wander Prian. I just disagree strongly with it. Although it sounds fair that cloaks do nerf you to the point so that anyone could defend themself against a squishy target like bombers it does make sense to not give any pre warnings. The only problem with that analogy is that most fights never are one on one. There are hot drops and massive fleets followed up after the point.

The pointer just needs to survive the short time before a second point lands. In those situations its more logical to let anyone have some form of advanced warning to have the option to choose to engage or flee. Decloak timers to lock are supposed to be just that but in the case of Recon ships and faction cov-ops where you can tank to a moderate degree and you have ample time to land a point. Ballparks of 6 seconds is the aproximate locktime of more tanky cov-ops recons and SoE ships. If cloaks are supposed to always catch there target null will turn into WS where any fight is spearheaded by a cloaky pointer without local. I really don't know if that is the type of pvp that will even encourage satisfactory pvp for anyone other then the one who engages. At some point even the engage party will get board when noone uses belts any more.

Xcom
The main reason for providing real time information is again to maintain and promote activity.

Most players do not like excessive uncertainty.

Those that do like it already have their wormhole sandbox. The OA should be considered in that context. A device that might help fix wormhole space while maintaining wh unique characteristics by only allowing it in some class of wormholes.

Nerfing local is not a thing for null-sec. I would advise those wanting a nerfed local variant to instead think of it as an enhanced wh local and petition CCP to allow for it there.

Wormholes need a hand. The Loot Pinjatas are a start. OAs are a natural next step.

Reading through your post only makes it more clearer. You don't have a problem with cloaks, you have a problem with the hotdrop. If you really want to "fix" this, change cyno's to require a certain time before they can be popped when you drop the cloak. When you cry for claoking-nerf, it only looks like you want to choose when you do PVP.

Again, you make my point. You don't have an issue with the cloaker, you have the issue with the drop. For the sake of argument, what if you couldn't light a cyno for 2 minutes after you drop a cloak? You have 120 seconds to break point, kill the cloaker, call in your friends, arrange a counter-drop, etc etc. Would that be enough? Or is that still too dangerous because they MIGHT be able to get the cyno off?

Cloaks are designed to be able to choose the moment of engagement. The whole point of them is to add uncertainty to the game. So you cannot just eliminate all the dangers out of the situation. It is a powerfull ability and that's why CCP made the ships who can use a covops-cloak weaker in tank and in DPS (just compare combat- and force-recons). Somehow magically the only time that cloaks are an issue, is when there is a cyno involved, yet somehow the cloaks are broken

So Xcom your problem is with the non-consensual PVP then? You are playing the wrong game dude....

If you are AFK, you cannot gather intel. If you are active, you are using cloaks like they are supposed to. What is the problem here?

The irony about talking how free intel is bad while supporting local...

The entire point of the cloaking device is to be undetectable, thats why it comes with huge drawbacks and the cov ops ships come pre nerfed compared to the other combat ships.

I have not proved anything, I have been quite clear what my issue is. I have an issue with the AFK cloak because he is affecting the game while not playing it because of the fear of hot drops, I also have an issue with the hot drop because it is over powered. The hot drop itself is the reason why removing local is not going to work.

Your suggestion of 2 minutes works for me because I am happy with risk and think that people need to do more than just use one character to get a kill, so I would go for that. Thank you for a more reasoned reply at least in that part befor ethe sarc at the end part.

After that you get back into silly contempt mode, I unlike some others am happy with the cloak, I repeat, I do not like the AFK part which is using the fear of the powerful hot drop ability. I have no concerns with someone de-claoking and giving me a fight as I normally fit for PvP when doing PvE, again you put your prejudices on me. I have done that in the past where I have had some SB's decloak on me and every time they had to run away.

At a more top level view I would like to see AFK cloaking removed as an impact because I want to see more people in 0.0 fighting over space.

My objective with the AFK flag is to reduce the impact of AFK camping and the fear of hot drops giving back some intel lost due to watch list removal and skill injectors, the AFK flag was designed as a way of not destroying cloaks, but at the end of the day I would accept a nerf to cloak if it removed this dreadful game destroying AFK cloaky camping.

I don't rely solely on local as detailed above, and as you are not going to be hot dropped in w-space whatever you do is irrelevant and there are no lessons from W-space that apply to K-space in terms of this. You are going round in the same stupid circle again. My block button finger is twitching at this point.