EVE General Discussion

Just found him on twitter- he's still with Riot Games: https://twitter.com/ktouborg?lang=de

It's not so much that I am against walking in stations as it is more that I am for moon walking in stations. Though it is a fine line, a line it is nonetheless.

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Once upon a time...

CCP used walking in stations to test code for another game they were developing, World of Darkness Online. EVE players had been given a taste of walking in stations earlier, on what looked like a less graphic intensive engine. That lesser iteration was scraped in favor of using EVE players as play testers for the code for WoDO. This play test was released as an entire expansion, which kind of sucked after players had been told for quite a while that problems with ships and balance and stuff would be held off until after this expansion.

To put it plainly, this expansion sucked. You could only walk around in your cabin, all cabins looked like the Minmatar cabin, and you had to be in your cabin if docked. There was no station spinning. Many people's computers could not handle the cabin. Many people were pissed that EVE had been ignored in favor of this new game, and that now they were play testing material meant for another game. People were super pissed.

There were other foibles on behalf of CCP that exasperated this. Two hundred dollar cosmetic items, other features that players hated, etc. But mostly it is because players felt that the game they were paying for was being ignored in favor of a game they didn't care about.

There was a huge in game riot, people were really pissed, CCP finally woke up when the torches and pitchforks were at the castle gate (in game) and relented. Since then WiS as a topic for development is toxic and never touched upon, and WoD was eventually scrapped (a shame, I would have liked to play it).

So, we have what we have now. A useless cabin, very nice looking player character portraits that don't quite look as cool as the old ones (the old one's were weird and had more customization for free), and we all try and move forward from the time CCP almost self destructed their own company and the game we like.

This is EVE.

Maybe that's why WIS was so bad and took so long... it's hard to code with 1 hand.

You know, I'd really like an interactive, 3D, VIVE compatible add-on that allows for real time fleet management. Imagine being able to slip on your headset and see the battlefield. Be able to drag and drop ships into fleets which would then either warp pilots to each other or send a command to do so, and then be able to drag and drop those fleets to systems. Integrate it with cynosural fields and bam, a proper fleet commander. Super sexy, and functional, especially for null sec alliances. Heck, Vive group chats with fleet sub-commanders would be ultra super sexy.

That actually sounds awesome.

I'm going to mock something up over Christmas, see what CCP think of it.

in short, when CCP tried to implement it, it wasnt a good time to do it, they ****** up with the project because they missed the most important aspects regarding the current situation of the game for a feature that at the time wouldnt be completed without practically redoing the whole game from the ground up.

Walking in Stations is fine in an avatar centric game, but if applied to a game that was predominantly around vehicle combat it becomes more of a nuissance than a good feature.

look for example all the outrage that came with X:Rebirth, the X games have always been around Spaceships, much like an "EVE Offline" for that regard, when X:Rebirth was announced the Egosoft team wanted Stations to feel like a real structure and as such tried to add walking in station features.

Earth and Beyond was an MMORPG older than Eve and from what i gather it also had that functionality, the truth is that many people didnt want to take the time to dock and get out of the ship just for getting a trading agreement or buying something that could be directly put on the ship.

so in the case of X:Rebirth, the Egosoft team added the functionality of filling orders from space in order to load stuff directly without having to dock and get inside. i only played it for a time in Steam when it was free, so i cant say much about it, but i've read some of the threads and news about the game's evolution.

what i want to say is that for this type of game, having playable capsuleers would mean a complete reworking of the game engine and the whole gameplay system, CCP wanted to do that with the whole Valkyrie/DUST/EVE universe, however, this would only get done if they actually invested in a completelly new game that was on the ground up focused on capsuleers as an entity in the universe instead of a separated thing in 3 games that are played differently.

CCP doesnt have nor the money nor the time nor the people to do that ATM, heck, even the people on Star Citizen havent been able to get to that part. and they got a lot of funding.

there are some jewels that have reached it, but the are aged games and graphically speaking are at most 30-40 years later in aesthetics (Shores of Hazeron for example).