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[December] Excavator Mining Drone yield rebalance

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MightyGuy
Minion Revolution
Goonswarm Federation
#221 - 2016-12-08 01:22:06 UTC  |  Edited by: MightyGuy
ANOTHER FOZZIE WONDERFUL idea... . we finally get some love for the miners and leave it to fozzie to skullf**k it so hard. The only patch i want to see is "Fozzie quits Eve" i think the population would jump 20% in eve. 32% nerf.. Jesus is that nerf bat heavy,, are you able to pick it up by yourself?

Please .... .fozzie.... quit

This is just another way the ccp screws its players. People have invested heavily into roquals and drones. Now you look at it and see Wow they really enjoy this.. We cant have that ... we are ccp. I swear ccp's Montra that is painted on every wall in the office.

IF ITS NOT BROKE FIX IT TILL IT IS.
Hans Bonderstadt
#222 - 2016-12-08 01:23:52 UTC
It Seems That A Lot Of People Are Unhappy That They Might Have To Risk Something To Get Isk Now ?

the trap is our venue pussy is on the menu

Atomic Virulent
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#223 - 2016-12-08 01:24:11 UTC
Casandra Elise McIntire wrote:
Callaghan wrote:
Are you serious? This has literally been live for like 5 mins and you're already taking it away. Do you even want people to keep playing your game? Do you even care about all the people who spent time, money and effort. Injecting, building and farming there way into a ship that 1 month later they don't even want.

Is this CCPs new business model to get people to keep extracting and re injecting? 32% is such a huge Nerf to an already limited ship, I have a question for you. After running and developing Eve Online for 10+ Years how is it you can't balance this before you release it so you don't have to "fix" it one month after launch.

If the rorqual had released with 32% less yield at least we would have known it was a bad investment. Now we're all stuck with 10b plus investments, it's an absolute joke.



Yes this is the new business model. CCP will start putting out revamps on unused, mostly untrained ships, buff them to high heavens and then once the skill injector markets calms back down, they will nerf them back to reasonably broken levels.

Next I see Blops being given a ton of love. You know, cause small groups need better ability to fight the evil hordes. (Not cause Blops take a crap ton of training and the injector market will thrive even more.)


You are exactly right. There is no other explanation for it if you have objectively looked at the game over the last 3-4 years. This is how WoW works, League of Legends, HOTS... Buff old, unused classes/heroes, keeps players buying/subbing, nerf what works well.. rinse and repeat. If I hadn't been playing Eve the last 3 years simply off of PLEX I would have never logged in again. When my ISK runs out I may sell for a boat load of ISK or may simply just never return. Right now it looks like never returning is option A.
Atomic Virulent
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#224 - 2016-12-08 01:27:32 UTC
Hans Bonderstadt wrote:
It Seems That A Lot Of People Are Unhappy That They Might Have To Risk Something To Get Isk Now ?


Right, because the time investment of simply getting into a Rorqual is like 3 hrs right? And the time investment of properly fitting a Rorqual is.. even less, like 2 hrs right?

Oh, and they are going for less than Minmatar shuttles on the market too now.... right??

Maybe your idea of risk is Catalyst ganking a Retriever in a starter system? Probably.
Hans Bonderstadt
#225 - 2016-12-08 01:35:01 UTC
Atomic Virulent wrote:


Maybe your idea of risk is Catalyst ganking a Retriever in a starter system? Probably.


What ? Man That Is Against The Rules ... You Do Not Seem Very Smart . You Also Have An Issue Accepting Risk Vs Reward Too ? ?

the trap is our venue pussy is on the menu

Ch3244
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#226 - 2016-12-08 01:42:06 UTC
Without a large increase in base drone speed, it is barely worth mining in rorquals now.

People invested a lot of isk into rorquals, only for you to nerf them one month later. I feel sorry for anyone who actually bought plex for this release.

So CCP, was this just a poorly thought out release or a bait and switch cash grab?




Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#227 - 2016-12-08 01:48:48 UTC
What if using PANIC required an active idustrial core? It would at least leave the pilot unable to navigate for the majority of the invulnerability duration and there is little detriment to legitimate uses.

Then again, it affects other industrial ships in the area. It would just make tackle badgers a thing instead. What's the counter-play to n+1 of those i wonder.

Is there a legitimate reason for ships affected by panic to even be able to lock targets? That would limit abuse to invincible ECM burst and a mostly invulnerable shield burst platform (why marginalize shield command ships?).
Petrified
Grimm Hounds
SONS of BANE
#228 - 2016-12-08 02:06:48 UTC
A bit curious why this rather expensive drone is being nerfed. I don't use a Rorqual (I don't mine much or often) but the idea that you now have a decent reason to use one in the belt was nice.

If Rorquals can tackle with impunity, may Citadels also tackle while invulnerable now?

Otherwise, you are going to have to allow ewar to be usable on the Rorqual while it is in PANIC mode.

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

Support better localization for the Japanese Community.

Last Ninja
Diversity 101
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#229 - 2016-12-08 02:13:24 UTC
Rip , Mining Ronq
Ch3244
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#230 - 2016-12-08 02:20:45 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
One quick note for people

Quote:
Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components


Should drop the price for the excavator drones. So you shouldn't have to worry about the 10 billion isk rorqs. Because that won't be the eventual price.

The elite drone AI's are currently selling at 12 million. Before the requirement was announced, they were pretty close to worthless. A higher drop rate should drop it.


Everyone understands that and it is still a horrible change.
Lythan Xavolox
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#231 - 2016-12-08 02:54:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lythan Xavolox
Ch3244 wrote:
Without a large increase in base drone speed, it is barely worth mining in rorquals now.

People invested a lot of isk into rorquals, only for you to nerf them one month later. I feel sorry for anyone who actually bought plex for this release.

So CCP, was this just a poorly thought out release or a bait and switch cash grab?



Agreed. It is ? To be honest its like a kick in the balls.

As many stated, you guys did a big announcement saying changes were coming to rorqual and now that we are all excited you retake all the cookies ? I am not sure its fair...

I would have prefered to not have a PANIC module instead.

Its like selling a game and telling us 2 week after we play oh we have put too much content in the game... we are going to remove it and charge you instead.
Kayoss
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#232 - 2016-12-08 03:00:19 UTC
So much for wasting 12b on this over the last little while.
Thanks CCP, I want my ISK back.
First-of-Four
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#233 - 2016-12-08 03:29:52 UTC
Mining rorqs were always better than the dev blogs suggested they should be. Adjusting the game to align with CCP's balance vision is a good thing. When the dust settles, people will still be mining in Rorq fleets.

The way this adjustment was made could bear improvement. Players dropped a lot of isk fitting rorquals based on their expected yield and component scarcity. With no time to adjust plans based on the new value of these assets, early adopters have a long road to recap their losses.

Could you revisit the compromise used when kicking rorquals out of astrahuses -> delay the nerf for a while?

Giving early adopters some time to benefit from their investment while the market adjusts to the new plan would help a lot.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#234 - 2016-12-08 03:34:08 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. We've been keeping a close eye on how people are using the newly rebalanced Rorquals and it's been really exciting watching how well people have taken to the new gameplay.

We have decided that we need to make a tweak in our December release next Tuesday to adjust the balance of mining Rorquals and keep the mining economy in a healthy place.

We are planning two connected changes in this release:
  • Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
  • Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components

We are continuing to keep an eye on all aspects of gameplay around the mining foreman ships. I know some players are hoping that we would make adjustments to other areas of Rorqual gameplay (such as ewar use while the PANIC module is running) but we feel comfortable leaving those aspects alone for now and continuing to observe how the metagame evolves. We of course reserve the right to make more changes to this or any other aspects of the Rorqual in upcoming patches to keep the ecosystem in balance.

Thanks!


So, some folks in here have claimed that CCP actually intended to release the Rorqual with a max possible yield of 18,000, but actually released with 29,000. Now they are just bringing it back to what was intended. Is this true? If so, why didn't you just say that up front?

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

HarlyQ
harlyq syrokos investment station
Goonswarm Federation
#235 - 2016-12-08 04:46:18 UTC
I said it on a recording sullen was doing during the rorqual focus group fozzie is an idiot. Keep sucking on that Pl **** man.
Prince Mariarty
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#236 - 2016-12-08 05:58:20 UTC
You just kidding me! I spend lot of buyed plexes to train my 11 rorquals! Builds lot of excavators! and now you nerf my investments and incom!

WHY??? WHY CCP SO F..... STU.... ?

EvilShockedX
SurrenderMonkey
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#237 - 2016-12-08 06:32:11 UTC
Prince Mariarty wrote:
You just kidding me! I spend lot of buyed plexes to train my 11 rorquals! Builds lot of excavators! and now you nerf my investments and incom!

WHY??? WHY CCP SO F..... STU.... ?

EvilShockedX


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"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
#238 - 2016-12-08 06:43:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsas Phage
Querns wrote:
Tarsas Phage wrote:

Here's the thing - I was one of the Rorq pilots on the D-W beacon


"I'm one of the most prolific abusers of this mechanic, so let me tell you why it's not abuse"


It's certainly a more informed vantage point than 99% of GSF who are just parroting the company line. In the mean time, keep jumping your ratting-fit supers into PVP situations whose only hope is to kill the thing tackling it if things go south. Damn, if I can't be more obvious about what the counter is, I'm not sure even CCP can help you. The real irony is that the NPCs you live among have it down better than you.
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#239 - 2016-12-08 08:23:18 UTC
Tarsas Phage wrote:
Querns wrote:
Tarsas Phage wrote:

Here's the thing - I was one of the Rorq pilots on the D-W beacon


"I'm one of the most prolific abusers of this mechanic, so let me tell you why it's not abuse"


It's certainly a more informed vantage point than 99% of GSF who are just parroting the company line. In the mean time, keep jumping your ratting-fit supers into PVP situations whose only hope is to kill the thing tackling it if things go south. Damn, if I can't be more obvious about what the counter is, I'm not sure even CCP can help you. The real irony is that the NPCs you live among have it down better than you.


Clearly the solution is to Neut the invincible capital ship who is receiving capacitor transfers from other invincible ships right? Preferably with your own invincible neuting ships of course.

What enthralling gameplay we have here.
Diminutive Imitation
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#240 - 2016-12-08 08:25:47 UTC
I'm sorry but I must be missing something. EVE is a PvP game, so I have heard for many years.
It is also a MMO, not a solo game.

So if the ore does not flow the price on the market goes up.
Price of ore goes up which means cost of ships goes up,

Cost of ships up means people have to grind (what ever ISK making thing you do) to buy said ships.

Wouldn't it not be better to have more ore so price is down to enable more people to explode ships instead of spending their time making ISK to buy said ships.