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L4 missions as an alpha

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KnightGuard Fury
The Bosena Accords
Warclone Initiative
#1 - 2016-12-05 08:27:33 UTC
Ive come to learn that L4 missions are fairly doable in cruisers, but I cant seem to kill the BS ships in a decent time frame per BS.
what would be the best thing to do to try and get more dmg out to kill them quicker?
I fly Minmatar ships and im somwhat skilled enough to fly decent fits but the BS's either rep a lot of dmg or tank it, delaying me in completing the mission.
tips and advice greatly appreciated!
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
#2 - 2016-12-05 08:31:36 UTC
Use Autocannons and the appropriate ammunition type for the rats you're facing and use as many gyro stabilizers as you can afford to fit tank wise. Identify every single skill that increases your damage and application output, even if it's 2% per level and max out drone skills as well.

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Sequester Risalo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-12-05 08:31:47 UTC
Frankly I don't think that L4 missions are doable in a t1 cruiser with alpha skill limitations. Prove me wrong but I think only a few odd missions can be done without encountering plenty battleships who are likely to overcome your defense systems.
KnightGuard Fury
The Bosena Accords
Warclone Initiative
#4 - 2016-12-05 10:05:28 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
Frankly I don't think that L4 missions are doable in a t1 cruiser with alpha skill limitations. Prove me wrong but I think only a few odd missions can be done without encountering plenty battleships who are likely to overcome your defense systems.

I can totally handle battleship class npc, I just use afterburners and orbit real close to them about 1-5 k and blast them until they die. My only problem is that they take too long to kill or I can barely manage to kill one. Tank wise I'm just shield tanked and they just miss me over and over as I am in an AB cruiser with auto cannons
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
#5 - 2016-12-05 11:12:21 UTC
Also, make sure you're not getting grazing / missed shots if you're orbiting with an AB at 1-5km. So long as your tank is fine then it's exlcusively down to your dps number and how well you apply that dps. Make sure you're not screwing up your own application by having a too high transversal. There's some good cheap-ish implants that can help as well. Just max out that DPS.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#6 - 2016-12-05 12:28:11 UTC
As far as ISK/hr is concerned you'll be much, much better off sticking to L3s or even L2s. If running L4s in cruisers was something sensible to do, Master Racers wold be doing it.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#7 - 2016-12-05 23:50:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
The best ship in EVE is friendship. One option for improving completion times is to fly with a friend.

In addition to Anize's advice about raw DPS and tracking, consider using a stasis webifier to improve damage application against faster moving targets.

Also consider upgrading to the Gnosis. It may be harder to fly since it is bigger and slower, but it should get more DPS.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#8 - 2016-12-06 00:30:51 UTC
I think level 3s are going to be where the isk is for an alpha. As you have found out you can use a speed and sig tank to deal with level 4 missions rather well, but with the skill limitations doing adequate dps to complete level 4s in anything resembling a timely fashion will be something of an issue.

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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
#9 - 2016-12-06 06:47:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Mara Rinn wrote:
Also consider upgrading to the Gnosis. It may be harder to fly since it is bigger and slower, but it should get more DPS.


Good point, Gnosis is after all the perfect newbro / Alpha boat. Should be able to get decent dps and tank numbers out of it I'd think but I've never run the numbers for a maxed Alpha clone.

End of the day Lv4s might not be feasible from a isk/h standpoint for alpha characters regardless.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2016-12-06 07:08:25 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Also consider upgrading to the Gnosis. It may be harder to fly since it is bigger and slower, but it should get more DPS.


Good point, Gnosis is after all the perfect newbro / Alpha boat. Should be able to get decent dps and tank numbers out of it I'd think but I've never run the numbers for a maxed Alpha clone.

End of the day Lv4s might not be feasible from a isk/h standpoint for alpha characters regardless.


Decent by lv3 standards, however straight up hell no not worth it for lv4s. Sure you could forego dps and brick tank it, but then you end up in I'd be making more isk in a venture territory. I'll admit I'm a little biased here in regards to dps but I was getting bored shooting cruisers with my gank fit gnosis in a lv3 the other day, can't imagine trying to kill battleships.

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Stacy Osinova
Rubicon Corp
Cyno.Up
#11 - 2016-12-06 07:33:08 UTC
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
As far as ISK/hr is concerned you'll be much, much better off sticking to L3s or even L2s. If running L4s in cruisers was something sensible to do, Master Racers wold be doing it.


I used to do lvl4 missions 2-3 years ago in a Gila. Gila did around 900-950 DPS those days. Now they removed 4-th low slot, but it still should do around 850. So it is ok for lvl4.

But I doubd it is possible to do Lvl4 with alpha limitations.
Wombat65Au Egdald
R I S E
#12 - 2016-12-06 12:09:51 UTC
Stacy Osinova wrote:
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
As far as ISK/hr is concerned you'll be much, much better off sticking to L3s or even L2s. If running L4s in cruisers was something sensible to do, Master Racers wold be doing it.


I used to do lvl4 missions 2-3 years ago in a Gila. Gila did around 900-950 DPS those days. Now they removed 4-th low slot, but it still should do around 850. So it is ok for lvl4.

But I doubd it is possible to do Lvl4 with alpha limitations.


Alpha characters cannot train into a Gila since a Gila needs both Caldari and Gallente cruiser skills. Alpha characters are restricted to the ships of their starting race, and the Venture. Even if an Alpha character converts to Omega to train up for ships outside their starting race, if they revert back to Alpha status, those extra skills become disabled.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#13 - 2016-12-06 14:55:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
KnightGuard Fury wrote:
Sequester Risalo wrote:
Frankly I don't think that L4 missions are doable in a t1 cruiser with alpha skill limitations. Prove me wrong but I think only a few odd missions can be done without encountering plenty battleships who are likely to overcome your defense systems.

I can totally handle battleship class npc, I just use afterburners and orbit real close to them about 1-5 k and blast them until they die. My only problem is that they take too long to kill or I can barely manage to kill one. Tank wise I'm just shield tanked and they just miss me over and over as I am in an AB cruiser with auto cannons

If only I had a dollar for every new player I have heard tell me this over the years, I could have that new car I want.
You think you can handle them, then along will come one of those level 4 missions with multiple energy neutralizing elite frigates or just for giggles they will throw multiple elite frigates (or even worse the spider drones) that will web you down to a snails pace. And then there are those that simply for giggles will offer you both options at the same time. Or you will come up against one of the level 4's that have multiple waves of ships that spawn based on time where the combined DPS coming from many different areas around the mission pocket will quickly leave you in serious trouble or floating among the remains of your ship. Yes, I agree you can run level 4 missions in a T1 Cruiser I do them all the time in destroyers and Assault Frigates, my point here is that because you have been able to do them to this point only means that you have not drawn a mission yet that will give you problems, that does not mean they do not exist. To that end I suggest you use EvE Survival as a way of pre-screening missions to help decide if they are ones you want to try.

If you want to run level 4's for the challenge of running them then by all means, be careful but have fun and do them but I think you would be better off running level 3's if you want to make ISK / LP.
Khanid Voltar
#14 - 2016-12-06 19:14:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanid Voltar
L3's are definitely going to be the best earner in high sec for you in a cruiser. You might (I don't know I have never tried) find something like FW L4's to be doable though if you can still speed-tank the incoming dps while you take out the target.

I'm just thinking the only regular L4's in high sec that'd be doable with a cruiser in a decent time would be the blitzable ones with just one or a few ships that need to be eliminated. And since all (or at least most) FW L4's are blitzable you'd have a better chance of rolling blitzable missions consistently.

Without trying it I am not sure if it'd work but worth a bash maybe. Would work better in a gang of alpha's and if you were doing it for the right side at the right time you could all make a significant amount of isk & LP/ph. Solo though I'd be concerned about the tank holding up/having enough dps (but the latter could be offset by choosing missions where the targets are industrials).
Anianna Keilo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-12-07 01:13:16 UTC
Just until recently I was doing l4s using sentry drones with my Dominix and a MJD on a trial account. It wouldn't be a big stretch to drop the sentries from the Navy issue Vexxor I dont think. If you can burn out to 100k and drop some sentries you should be good. Buy all 4 sets of the faction drones and read evesurv for resist holes.
Sara Starbuck
Adamantine Creations
#16 - 2016-12-07 01:49:07 UTC
Alphas dont have access to heavy or sentry drones afaik.
erg cz
ErgoDron
#17 - 2016-12-07 09:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: erg cz
Exequror navy can do over 1000 DPS with omega skills (with tiny 110 m signature), so I guess it can still do 400-500 with alpha. So it should be no problem to kill even fast reparing rat in large FW complex. The quetion is, can your cruiser tank blockade or wordus head hunters if webbed / disrupted? Plenty of smaller ships will still put large pressure on your tank. So isk/hour will be much lower comparing to L3 missions, IMHO.
Grymmstorm
Kings of Groth
#18 - 2016-12-09 12:26:28 UTC
I'd be interested in knowing what the ISK/hour from L3 missions is...
Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#19 - 2016-12-09 12:52:42 UTC
Grymmstorm wrote:
I'd be interested in knowing what the ISK/hour from L3 missions is...


It was about 10mil/hr when I did them in a semi-afk VNI with pretty low skills (only lv4 in hull skill, heavy drone operation and all drone support skills, and social skills).
I'm sure a maxed alpha clone can do far better in a gun boat.
Kosomot
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2016-12-10 21:39:10 UTC
So i think the mission running PVE Race for alphas will be Gallante, for 1 reason.

VNI (Vexor Navy Issue) which alphas can use, and with a drone bay full of Mission specific Drones, is most likely the PVE ship of choicce.

Navy Exqueruor is also bad ass as well with alpha skills.

I'm currently training up an Alpha to test both boats out.

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