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Little Assault Frigate Buff
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Azazel The Misanthrope
Oblivion's Pendulum
Top Tier
#1 - 2016-12-03 16:14:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Azazel The Misanthrope
Assault Frigate's role bonus should include a 50 -75% reduction to the effects of heat damage. This could emphasize their "assault" role more by allowing them to stay in the pressure cooker longer with better repairs and damage; while simultaneously better equipping them to run down faster targets by forcing them to overheat for longer than they are capable. A bonus like this could help the ships be more competitive with their contemporaries for bursts of time without overshadowing them completely and thus becoming menacing.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#2 - 2016-12-04 10:16:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
no more that 25% total(5% per level) and i personally like this HOWEVER i'm against it because there has to be a better way to fix these then giving them one of the only balanced flavorings of a T3

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Conogan Blitzkreig
Induced Warfare
#3 - 2016-12-04 10:41:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Conogan Blitzkreig
Man something needs t o be done abouts the resources they require to build... Or something...cuz their prices right now are bs.... They should cost an average of 4 mil since they are below cruisers, not no 25 mil, double the price of cruisers.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#4 - 2016-12-04 10:59:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
lol they are T2 you pay more for a miner increase. that's how they all work besides in my experience AFs beat most T1 cruisers so that still seems right

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-12-04 11:11:10 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
no more that 25% total(5% per level) and i personally like this HOWEVER i'm against it because there has to be a better way to fix these then giving them one of the only balanced flavorings of a T3



Delete T3D's. AF's fixed.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Lugh Crow-Slave
#6 - 2016-12-04 11:29:10 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
no more that 25% total(5% per level) and i personally like this HOWEVER i'm against it because there has to be a better way to fix these then giving them one of the only balanced flavorings of a T3



Delete T3D's. AF's fixed.



i'm all for it

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2016-12-04 11:32:49 UTC
T3 are the problem for lot of ship groups even after the nerfs.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#8 - 2016-12-04 11:43:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
T3 are the problem for lot of ship groups even after the nerfs.



and yet we still get ppl asking for T3 BBs and frigs -.-

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-12-04 11:47:02 UTC
Impel bonuses on all the AF's. That's the way forward!



Big smile

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-12-04 12:58:58 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
T3 are the problem for lot of ship groups even after the nerfs.

What if we would give them 1 subsystem slot that could give either attack, defense or speed bonuses? No more switching during combat. Would that help?

If you want an intelligent argument, please do, I'm up for it!

But if you want a trolling contest, I will win it by simply not participating.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#11 - 2016-12-04 14:46:47 UTC
Dior Ambraelle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
T3 are the problem for lot of ship groups even after the nerfs.

What if we would give them 1 subsystem slot that could give either attack, defense or speed bonuses? No more switching during combat. Would that help?


well that would defeat the point.... sooo just remove them

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2016-12-04 17:55:36 UTC
Dior Ambraelle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
T3 are the problem for lot of ship groups even after the nerfs.

What if we would give them 1 subsystem slot that could give either attack, defense or speed bonuses? No more switching during combat. Would that help?


Even easier than that.

Give them t1 destroyer stats, not bonkers level.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#13 - 2016-12-05 12:51:18 UTC
yep, delete T3D from the game. There was no point of adding them, zero.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#14 - 2016-12-06 12:23:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dior Ambraelle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
T3 are the problem for lot of ship groups even after the nerfs.

What if we would give them 1 subsystem slot that could give either attack, defense or speed bonuses? No more switching during combat. Would that help?


Even easier than that.

Give them t1 destroyer stats, not bonkers level.


i think this would work let all of the benefit come from the pilots management of the roles

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Brown Pathfinder
Black Spot on Parchment
#15 - 2016-12-06 14:54:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Brown Pathfinder
Could look at how current t1 frigs are bonused and build upon that?
Then also add t3 battleships and industrials and capitals, melted nanoribbons are barely worth the effort to farm these days and need some kind of buff to increase their value Big smile
I think people complaining about t3's being OP haven't looked at other t1 and t2 ship classes wich haven't even seen rebalancing yet wich affects alot of other areas.

When was hacs rebalanced or black ops, capital ships? T2 cov op frigs are pretty sad in 1 vs 1 against other ships in similar range that in some cases are even cheaper to fly.
T1 battleships and some of the cruiser and bc need some kind of help too.
And a cloak t3 cruiser can't dunk a gila as easy anymore Evil
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#16 - 2016-12-06 16:40:30 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Conogan Blitzkreig wrote:
Man something needs t o be done abouts the resources they require to build... Or something...cuz their prices right now are bs.... They should cost an average of 4 mil since they are below cruisers, not no 25 mil, double the price of cruisers.


Yeah, one whole ratting tick (if you're a baddy) is a real wallet-buster.

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Merchant Rova
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#17 - 2016-12-07 14:49:11 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
no more that 25% total(5% per level) and i personally like this HOWEVER i'm against it because there has to be a better way to fix these then giving them one of the only balanced flavorings of a T3



Delete T3D's. AF's fixed.

AF's were bad before T3D's were even ingame. T3D's were the nail in the coffin.

RIP Merchant Rova's cheekbones, YC118-YC119. Forever in our hearts.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-12-07 16:38:59 UTC
Merchant Rova wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
no more that 25% total(5% per level) and i personally like this HOWEVER i'm against it because there has to be a better way to fix these then giving them one of the only balanced flavorings of a T3



Delete T3D's. AF's fixed.

AF's were bad before T3D's were even ingame. T3D's were the nail in the coffin.



No they weren't. A few were. A few of everything always are bad. As a class though, AF's were in a pretty decent place, again making provision for the few that still needed help.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Lugh Crow-Slave
#19 - 2016-12-07 17:02:38 UTC
Merchant Rova wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
no more that 25% total(5% per level) and i personally like this HOWEVER i'm against it because there has to be a better way to fix these then giving them one of the only balanced flavorings of a T3



Delete T3D's. AF's fixed.

AF's were bad before T3D's were even ingame. T3D's were the nail in the coffin.


i used the hawk quit a bit

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2016-12-08 00:03:05 UTC
Merchant Rova wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
no more that 25% total(5% per level) and i personally like this HOWEVER i'm against it because there has to be a better way to fix these then giving them one of the only balanced flavorings of a T3



Delete T3D's. AF's fixed.

AF's were bad before T3D's were even ingame. T3D's were the nail in the coffin.


AF were some of the most popular ships in FW and harpies were used as a fleet doctrine. T3D invalidated a lot of ship classes when they hit (still do).
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