EVE General Discussion

The need for alts makes $15/month a lie.

I find this quite sad.
Two is so much better than one.

2/3rds of the playerbase have only 1 account.

There is no 'need' for alts. It's a choice.

Good for you :)
I love EvE as well, but I do not accept their greedy subscription policy. They will die eventually do not keeping up to date with current games trends. I cancelled subscription to WoW, then EvE when I realized then I prefer to play another games for the weeks. It is stupid to pay for the service which I do not use. "Guild Wars", "Guild Wars 2", "The secret World" and so on use much more reasonable businesses model. It is not PAY 2 WIN, and eventually I spent more my $$$ for them buying in-game stuff and expansion packs LOL.
Regards.

That's cute, considering EVE is only 50c a day and all of its expansions are completely free of charge.
Literally all of them.

This is of course true. It's definitely true for me. I calculate that one day of EVE Online game time costs me 1 minute of work (2 hours of working pays the subs for my 4 accounts for a month). 1 minute of work for 1410 hours of game access. That one minute of work gets me more game time than I could reasonably use (because I like sleeping and i have to work lol).

EVE is 50 cents a day to play in my countries currency, most people can dig 50 cents out of their couch cushions or pick up loose change in a Walmart parking lot and have enough money to sub EVE Online forever.

So when I've come to these forum and see people complaining 1st about the isk cost of PLEX (ridicules, even at it's height a plex = a couple high sec missions or null sec anomalies per day) and now how "EVE F2P is not F enough", I just shake my head. People are literally on this forum crying about pennies.

But we know why, and it's why I love to link this picture. CCP has to deal with this reality (thus this F2P stuff) rather than sit back and rely on the very few rational people who understand value and know that 50 cents isn't a lot of money anywhere except maybe Zimbabwe lol.

Just because there are bad F2P models out there doesn't mean there aren't any good ones. Possibly unnoticed by you, that point right there is what you have to consider when talking about F2P. That is why F2P works, because whales spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars when they can, which itself supports to game for other people to play for free if they so choose. What is wrong with this model exactly? These F2P players don't HAVE to pay anything if they don't want. Only bad F2P models provide an insurmountable paywall blocking content. They may not be the strongest player in the game by spending no money, but in general that isn't what they want anyways, they just want to play... for free. Games are still fun without being #1 in the world on the leaderboards.

I'm not saying that EVE has to model themselves after World of Tanks. Far from it. I love EVE how it is. I am just saying that the people who think you can't do an F2P game without making it either unprofitable or a P2W are wrong. World of Tanks does it admirably. And yes, older gamers do pay for "bling" and aesthetic stuff.

little silly stunts who probably believe that bus ticket they bought last year should still allow them to use the bus when they like for free. they did after all pay for thet bus service for 8 years solid and deserve more.. lol

Just throwing out my opinion here.

I was so excited to hear about clone states and EVE going F2P. I knew there would be some restrictions as most MMOs that were once paid subs going F2P take that route. I missed playing this game and couldn't wait to log in again.

Right away it was clear the restrictions were heavy. Not being able to use ships I already had as well as equipment or even mining drones. I decided to give it a shot regardless and just play with what was available to see what kind of experience I could still get as an alpha state.

In my opinion, it is already too limiting after only 15 days of play.

Subs in gaming are going away. It was a great model 10 years ago, but now that players don't want to sink all of their time into a single game, play multiple genres, game with friends who have migrated to other games, don't have the money or even simply don't see the value in spending $10-15 per month on an item when they have choices that are one time purchases of $30-60.

Clearly EVE took a step in the right direction. My account is 5 years old and I haven't been playing for several years; now I am. The question is will I be playing in a month or two and my current feeling is no I probably will not be.

Players will spend money on vanity items. Ship skins. Avatar items. Immediate unlocks. Spell effects or in this case projectile/laser effects. If a player just started and they want a ship bad enough, they will drop the $2.99 you are selling it for rather than saving money up. They will spend the $.99 you are charging to quick train a skill that takes days otherwise. Other successful games offer that without a single limitation to the game and have more than 25,0000 players logged in at any given time.

The other option is to sell the game in its entirety up front with a trial available. Once it is purchased, no limitation. This model works very well too.

The current clone state offer is okay, but by no means enough to bring a player like me here for a long period of time. Which, I acknowledge that is just my opinion and only 1 of thousands. Maybe the current model works for EVE and you achieved exactly what you wanted.

You have a really great game, but the way I see it, for me, I already spent 4-5 months as a subscriber here years ago and eventually it wasn't worth the monthly cost. Putting limitations on the game as heavy as you did ensures players like me won't be here long.

Enjoying the game regardless, just disappointed in the heavy limitations.