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Can we have ISBOX back ?

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Prince Kobol
#81 - 2016-12-03 15:09:56 UTC
Toobo - Yeah, I mean from a players perspective I am with you, I really dislike the carpet bombing / scored earth policy in general.

From CCP's perspective I can completely understand it. It is far easier to ban everything then try to regulate, especially when considering how imaginative this community is.
Jason Coralin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#82 - 2016-12-03 17:40:56 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Toobo wrote:
Serafiel wrote:
Toobo wrote:
EVE, for a game that has such good multiboxing potentials, should really offer more flexible options to manage multiple accounts.


What you dont seem to understand, is that CCP does NOT want people to multibox, and does NOT want 60 thousand online, half of which are being run by 10 thousand guys like you.

And neither do we, legit players.



I'm not sure that is true as a blanket statement. Maybe CCP (and whatever other 'legit' players are) do not want one dude with 10~20 accounts running a fleet. But I don't think CCP has problem with a player is running a roaming toon, while gate camping with a fleet on another account, while being logged on in Jita/Amarr/Rens/Dodixie for market updates, and while having a hauler alt hauling stuff, while another alt is lighting cynos and helping his alliance move around, etc, etc.

What you defined is a very specific and narrow case of multiboxing, for which ISBoxer excelled, and that type of one man army thing may not be so great for game in PVP balance wise, I can completely agree that's something to be looked at.

But the above scenario I mentioned, which is pretty much what I mainly do with my multiple accounts - doing many different things in different places, is that really 'bad for the game'? or is that something 'CCP/legit players don't want'?

What I said above can be done without ISBoxer sure, and I do it without ISBoxer now, but ISBoxer's other functions that people do not talk about much was to have windows/interfaces displayed in customized format, it had very easy to set up multi window switching setup wizard, etc, that allowed you to monitor and switch between clients very easily.

Now, if they were all in the same fleet, flying 10~20 bombers and key broacasting to coordiate and alpha the opposition off with perfectly synced shot - sure, that's probably not good for game balance. But in the scenario I mentioned, having multiple pilots in multiple places doing different things - is that also what you 'legit' player does not want?

Notice that the discussion has 'moved on' a bit here. The OP specifically asked for 'key broadcasting' to come back, to which even former ISBoxer users came here and said 'no'. But there's another voice here that suggest some other functionalities of ISBoxer didn't really 'break' the game and feel that banning such specific uses is just restrictive.

So taking key broadcast away, and when you look at 'multiboxing' from a more general POV, not in really narrow and specific use case of fleet fights, is there really a problem?




I guess we're talking about overlays. So example I have 3 screens, with a 3rd party tool I can create a custom single screen which contains elements from the 3 original screens thus enabling me to control all 3 ships from one screen with a layout of my choosing.

Now with this there is no broadcasting involved. Everything still has to be done manually, the only difference is that you have a custom overlay which makes what you have on screen more efficient.

This is especially handy if you do not have a dedicated monitor per client or you don't have a massive monitor where you can multiple clients windowed one on screen without them looking like postage stamps.

I fully accept that it is very helpful.

I guess the problem lies in, can CCP detect the difference between this setup and somebody doing the same but using multi key broadcasting as well.



From my understanding, this is also against the rules. The Video FX and DXNothing portions of ISBoxer are also not allowed. No UI altering at all is allowed.
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#83 - 2016-12-03 18:22:21 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
It's been awhile now and we could see the drastic decline in players numbers since ISBOX was banned.

I think it's time for CCP to reconsider the option to allow us key broadcasting and let us have fun in your game for once.


I hope these couple years have shown you how much better it is for everyone including CCP and eve online, when key broadcasting is part of this game.

The "dying" patterns we have come used to see in eve with 15k players online at peak times, compared to when ISBOX was allowed with 40k+ players online at all times, are proof enough that removing the ability to key broadcasting in eve isn't so smart, and actually kills the game for MANY people, not only the ones that do it but also everyone else that would be involved in whatever activity provided by ISBOX.

Maybe just maybe it's time to stop and rethink about how much more content, events, situations and general activity in eve, key broadcasting can provide to everyone, together with happiness and enjoyment, bringing this game back alive again.

Thanks for reading.

ISbotter lol? You do realize most of those 40+k were bot alts right?
Stevn Thomas
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2016-12-03 18:39:48 UTC
mkint wrote:
OP wrote:
Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
http://www.raphkoster.com/games/laws-of-online-world-design/the-laws-of-online-world-design/. Far more relevant to the discution.

Specifically this...
Quote:
Macroing, botting, and automation
No matter what you do, someone is going to automate the process of playing your world.

Corollary:
Looking at what parts of your game players tend to automate is a good way to determine which parts of the game are tedious and/or not fun.

Game systems
No matter what you do, players will decode every formula, statictic, and algorithm in your world via experimentation.
Prince Kobol
#85 - 2016-12-03 18:53:13 UTC
Jason Coralin wrote:


From my understanding, this is also against the rules. The Video FX and DXNothing portions of ISBoxer are also not allowed. No UI altering at all is allowed.



Yep, but that was the point Toobo was making in regards to the carpet bombing / scorched earth policy. Many would be fine with a 3rd party tool that allows you to customise your overlay, however many of the same tools also allow multi key broadcasting.

It is far far easier to outright ban those 3rd Party tools then having to invest a great time and effort to regulate them, espiceally if you get very little in return.

I happened to disagree with the banning all betting sites although I completely understand CCP doing so, not because of what happened with IWI but with the change in laws regarding Internet Gambling currently happening in the US and UK.

Why even get mixed up if you don't have to. It may suck for us players but from CCP's point of view I total understand.
ISD Decoy
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ISD Alliance
#86 - 2016-12-03 19:01:25 UTC
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