EVE General Discussion

Last night night on Twitter and a shout out to CCP Karkur about leaving relic and data sites unfinished is because of junk or empty cans, the junk being carbon. This creates a false sense that a site is waiting to be hacked and upon getting to the site you find a couple cans not touched or hacked in other words.

I agree that this should stop as this causes problems especially for explorers who go out scanning down these sites only to find it uncompleted. Just because you find a site and use a cargo scanner to find the good loot doesn't give you the right to abandon the rest of the site and by not finishing the site will render a respawn from happening.

Sites in known space or wormholes to not magically disappear after you leave the unfinished site, you have to either 1) start the hack on an empty/junk can, and 2)discontinue the hack to fail it.

My corp along with our friends at Signal Cartel would really appreciate if you would just simply complete the site by failing the hacks so another new fresh site would spawn. We really appreciate it if you take the time to do this, thank you.


Admiral Graabeerd Khagan

MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings.

From my understanding, once a site has been started a despawn timer is started before it disappears. Like a short timer of a few hours.


It use to annoy me that people would cherry pick. But as i kept getting nothing in yellow and red cans in null, my views started changing as i grew frustrated with the current exploration system and lack of attention its received. Finally the day that broke the camels back, i found 2 data and 3 relic sites in a slew of 20 plus sigs.

It took me just over an hour to scan down and run all 5 sites in a W system. When i was done i had about 25 mil in loot. I was so annoyed that i just spent over an hour in a high risk environment for less than what i could make casually running level 4 missions in high. I had several yellow and red cans with less than 10k isk each, in the same site. i had one can that paid a bit over 9 mil. Most of the cans that had loot had under a mil each. Think i got another with 2 or 3 mil in it.

I was so angry as soon as i was able i bought a cargo scanner and vowed to never waste my time hacking empty cans again. And so i dont. It only saves me a couple of minutes here and there most of the time, but those minutes hacking are the ones you are most vulnerable to attack and most distracted.


CCP needs to rework the entire exploration system( sites themselves). Its really out of date. They made a few minor tweeks to it over the years but left the core of the system untouched.

I for one for the most part always pop all the cans so that the site will maybe re spawn down the line, but I only run relic/data/ghosts in one area so it's in my best interest to do so.
Problem is with two types of explorers, day trippers and "smart" explorers. Day trippers are blitzing the site so they can get to the next site and then the next area as fast a possible, hence they could not care less about finishing the sites.
Second is the "smart" explorers who do this to hold up the explorer coming up behind them. Leaving the junk cans is a legit tactic to slow down the competition. Smart explorers know this and there is no incentive not to do this.

Its perfectly fine for people to not finish the site, especially in wh space where you are completely exposed while hacking.

I don't know about the rest of data/relic sites, but drone land data sites have 3 cans, 1 has a bpc for integrated drones, 1 has like 50k worth of drone parts, and the 3rd can is empty 95% of the time.

Most of the time I just hack the 2 cans with stuff, since that despawns the site, but completing the 3rd can gives the chance for an escalation. Seems like a good balance if you ask me, although the payout is complete garbage for the first 2 cans.

Couldn't agree more. Also, the drone region cans are severely bugged in the sense that it is 100% certain a red can drops no loot at all. There has never been a relation between loot and can difficulty which is idiotic and lazy programming, but the fact that red drone cans consistently drop nothing is beyond me.

Stop galactic warming, leave the carbon in the can!

But yeah, finding one carbon or another Amarr encryption methods is less than exciting.

yeah but in drone lands date sites can escalate. so it would be stupid to do them and not finish them.

That empty can is the escalation chance. Its a very low chance of happening, but its there.



Sorry, half baked thought on my part.

The idea was that if CCP is going to change it, make it so all data/relic sites have a chance of escalating when you hack all cans.

I'm not sure its the best idea, but it'll increase the number of finished sites.

Who has time to cargo scan those sites? I put a warp scrambler on instead of a scanner.

I appreciate CCP Karkur's work but this comment is totally out of place and seeing a dev to express like a whiny carebear makes me angry, especially if the person in question has the actual power to just change it!

Stop complaining and insulting players, make the cans immune to cargo scanners, fixed.