EVE General Discussion

Well having experienced ISK gambling roller coaster, I can kind of understand this.

The ISBoxers that I knew who were making crazy ISK, the reason why they quit, as I see it, is like this - maybe there were other changes leading up to that point or around that time that they were not happy with, but when you have means to make 100b/ month or more (or whatever seems good enough for you, more or less) easily and reliably, and you you are very familiar with using such method to the extent it's almost the second nature and synonymous to 'eve' to you, then you could always say 'well fock I hate this change but I can make a few hundred bil easily anyway so I'll just roll with it'

The thing is, when ISK can be made so easily and reliably (although it may have required some investment in set up or some hours needed for grinding or whatever), you can roll with many things that you are not happy with, because you can just use the familiar method to print the ISK.

But when the very core method of making that ISK, the ISK printing machine, gets taken away from you, and you find yourself 'back to ground zero', that's when people think about 'quitting'. My mate who ran HS incursions by himself had hundreds of billions of ISK (or maybe even more than a trillion) when he quit. There were many other things he could do with the ISK he already had, but nothing that could match the ISK he was making per hour (at least not on solo scale without ISBoxer) and not in a way that was extremely familar to him. He could have taken other challenges which could in long term net him much ISK, but he just felt like 'man I don't want to bother with this game anymore'. There were previously other things and patches in EVE he didn't like and we discussed, but it was taking away the ISK printing means that made him quit.

I felt similar for a while after ISK gambling got banned. I mean I hit at least a few jackpots per month every month (don't ask me how, just ridiculous streak of luck that never ended and just kept on coming again when I - and other people - thought I couldn't possibly win big again), many of them over 100b + ISK, and there was a crazy week where I hit multiple mega jackpots in a same week and cashed out 800b+ in a single week. There were like 3 slots running up in that week all going up over 200b JP, and I somehow won them all in the same week.

It was ridiculous. 800b ISK made in one week. It was so much ISK so quick and so easy (well not easy but lucky). But luckily (hah) it was after I experienced hitting 240b jackpot in the previous month and spending ALL OF IT in 2 days on gambling again (so yes, I lost 240b in two days, on gambling), so I knew better at the time to manage the ISK I won (thank god I have something left over now).

But when IWI got banned, I was like back to EVE, and erm... what do I do to make the ISK I used to make from gambling? Nothing could compete ISK wise. I was gambling (both winning and losing) regularly with around 20b on a single evening. Sometimes I ended up with zero ISK sometimes I ended up with multiple times 20b - from a single night. What else could I do 'in game' that could match with this level of ISK winnings?

TBH, I still don't know the answer. I found nothing again that had as much potential winnings (and losses lol) as gambling did. Some people quit because they lost everything they had, because their wallets got zeroed unfairly by CCP, so the rage is extremely understandable, when you log on to game to find that CCP has zeroed your wallet while you have never RMTed yourself, I would have quit too if that happened to me. But some people, I know, they quit, because they couldn't find anything else that could match the rush & the potentials of gambling within EVE.

As I experienced it, there were many things EVE during my gambling days that I could have complained about - but I didn't care because I was winning billions and billions left and right on regular basis. Whatever, let me just drop 100b on an experiment, let me just sponsor that dude 20b for his project, let me buy this for lulz, whatever.

But when gambling got taken away, and I get back to market trading again, and see the numbers and the margins, it's just 'lol what is with all this low figures'. It's like going from running high class WH sites back to high sec level 1 missions. All perspectives get distorted and it's very hard to settle back to the reality/balanced figures in EVE. It will sound offensive, but lot of things feel 'too petty' after you experience the distorted life.

So anyways, I stuck around, because I still have some ISK to play around and some other long term in-game commitments, and after all, I played for many years without gambling and had fun in EVE before I ever gambled with ISK, so I just kinda looked back and put my feet back on the ground again so to say, and I have corp mates that I have been with for like 7+ years, so that helped me to stick around. But for some, I can totally understand why they chose to quit, and I would have quit too if circumstances were even a little different.

So personally, ISK printing machines, when people find them and start using them, are very hard to shake off. You can ignore many other things in the game while you have them, and just roll with the changes you are not happy with. But when the machine itself gets taken away, then suddenly you feel the whole game may not be worth playing anymore.

Not disagreeing with a lot quitting over just ISBoxer BTW - but the big drop in numbers was also propelled by a number of changes that hit especially people running their own multi account setup (who often were doing their own things, sometimes of an esoteric nature) who weren't necessarily using input broadcasting. If it was any other game then there might be an aspect of it not being so unexpected if you were affected by changes while doing something a bit different to the crowd but eve is a game that ostensibly hypes the long game and/or thinking outside the box, etc. so penalising people for doing just that doesn't sit well with those that got into the game on that angle.

I never said they were morally superior.

I been around Eve a very long time and played solo for quite a while, nothing wrong with it as at the time it was what I wanted. I am slowly making my comeback after a long time out and am playing solo because I choose to.

However I do not expect or demand to perform activities which are clearly designed with the group in mind, i.e Incursions, Bomber Fleets etc solo

Neither do I expect being able to command a fleet of ships in any activity solo with the ease which 3rd party tools such as ISBoxer allowed me and others to do.

I have already said I used ISboxer. I know how it works and yes, it was with ease. It took me about 2 days to get everything just so for my needs which was running 3 passive fit tengus doing lvl5 missions.

Hell there are enough step by step guides on how to setup ISBoxer specifically for Eve. When I first started to use it I found many people on the ISBoxer forum who were very helpful in getting it setup.

So yes, it was easy.

I will ask you a question, what gives you or anybody the right to demand to take part in activates that are clearly designed for group play, solo?

How about no.

Seriously, why not learn to work for a living And if that is too much to ask, do you know you can grab a ton of Alpha kids and have them do grand things with (for) you?

CCP's equivalent of child labour isn't just legal here, it's immensely profitable. And fun. Seriously, just get out there, adopt an Alpha.

And its a good thing. Next please.

You have literally 0 clue what you're talking about.

And no.

See you said "solo minded players" instead of "players who want to fly an entire fleet solo, breaking the game in many ways". If you used the correct statement you'd understand just fine.

Straw man much?

Video FX and DXNothing is also not allowed, so ISBoxer doesn't really give you much of anything under the new rules.

I could even potentially be OK with not have broadcasting if they allowed the use of Video FX and DXNothing, but nope, no love for solo players, all love for groups.

gambling addicts and isboxers... dare i say you have the wrong friends :)

Hell no.

I rather play with 20k legit players who do not use 3rd party software than 40k players, where half of them are at the same level as aimbotters.

If you can not contol x chars without the help of cheating software, then don´t run x accounts. And if you only have fun in eve when you are allowed to cheat, maybe you should think about if you actually really like the game.