EVE General Discussion

omg guys we reached stagnation. #eveisdyingonceagain

seriously though your complaints happen atleast once a year...

I don't know how long this discussion will last here, and i can't claim to be un-biased because I am (A) within Jump range of PL/NC supers as I type this and (B) PL dropped a freaking NYX on my NAVY VEXOR (on my alt, on June 28, in N-HKSO, too bad we can't link killmails here lol).

But I will say this, it's funny how CCP made all these jump range changes and made jump fatigue with the the goal or ending 'cross map' capital/supercapital dominance....while inadvertently creating LOCAL AREA CAP/SUPER CAP DOMINANCE lol. Now super caps can be dropped on people with impunity with no chance of response from another supercap capable power unless that group tortuously and visibly moves their super caps across the map like space turtles.

Before Jump Fatigue, even PL would have thought twice about dropping a Nyx on a VNI (they might have still done it, but they'd at least think about it lol). Now, no second guessing required. It's ok, didn't want that VNI anyways/already replaced (lol), but really, a NYX.? A NYX??!?!?!

Human nature create this. The concentration of cap in a few entity because people want to be in the "winning" team makes anyone else a target. The core of the game itself push players toward doing that. Limited range or not, the current super blobs would be dominant. The only difference is between wrecking anything within range or helicopter dicking anything worthwhile given time. You lost your VNI like small corp used to lose their single/few carrier/dread 80LY away if they dared getting it out of a station for too long.

Which one is better is kinda hard to argue IMO.

To be fair it CCP also had a hand in creating this situation.

They created the ships / game mechanics.

Takes two to tango

Wow it's almost like this happened before tracking titans were nerfed originally, and then they were un nerfed and now in a shocking twist turn of events that no one could have predicted, it's happened again.

Woooah slow down there Tiger.

Here is the thing, when you create a game mechanic it is the responsibility of the developer to think how those mechanics will be used and/or abused.

There was already a history of groups getting together long before Supers / Titans were brought into the game. Blobs already existed before Supers / Titans, groups temp blueing each other for their own gain already existed before Supers / Titans were introduced.


Did it get worse, sure but that should of been expected considering what it took to kill a Super. If you introduce a Ship that requires more people to kill it then it only made sense for people to band together.

It also made sense for people to use bigger fleets to protect the very same ships as they became a huge magnet, a prize so to speak.

Did CCP explicitly say to everybody to build massive Super fleets, of course they didn't, just they never said to create large mining fleets or Incursion Fleets.

However since Null Sec Warfare is a group activity, since large fleets already existed, it was obvious that who ever had the larger Super Fleet would have an advantage.

So groups got together to create these Super Fleets.

So yeah, whilst it is not CCP's entire fault, they do have to share a pretty big part of it.

You want people to fight, great, funny enough so does everybody, including those in Goons, PL, NC, etc.

The problem is, and its a major problem, if the game mechanics do not encourage conflict they why should they?

People need a reason to get out of bed at 3am to defend a structure, people need a reason to stay logged on for hours on end to form a fleet, meet the enemy and then suffer 0% TiDi.

Its all well and good you saying We (whoever we are) should fight, but people need a reason to fight, there has to be conflict drivers other then "I don't like this guy, he is a douche bag lets teach him a lesson"

This has been a problem for years and still continues to be a major problem.

Due to the nature of Null Sec Wars, the time it takes to kill objectives, the hours upon hours that have to be spent fighting, you need a major conflict driver.

The game mechanics demands that you have large fleets / 24hr Time Zone coverage etc to wage a war and it very hard to do that without friends.

Ahhh, no, sure they can field massive power now but like any power they do tend to reach a point where they start to rot internally.

Politics, this is the thing that will bring them down at some point, powers rise, powers fall, the Romans got weak at around the same era the Mongols were on the move, its not stagnation, as they begin to entrench themselves by building an overwhelming force they are also building their own enemies as at some point someone will move against the bloc and since they have been building up such a massive amount of power this same power will be combined with opposing force, eve is way to big to completely control.

Create your own content. Dont expect CCP to do it for you.

The situation that "no thanks, we are happy farming our own space endlessly, safely, in deadlock, is good for us" is not really an argument against that.

Sure. Peace is good for business, cos stability. But war is better, cos opportunity.

Nothing is stopping you from creating your own conflict driver.

PS: Im probably so gonna regret both these comments tomorrow morning, but drunk-posting must be done.

Wormholes are nice this time of year. For a large part they avoid both capitals as well as the N+1 F1 fleets. Much fun and actual decent fights to be had.

Come on down.

At first I thought OP name was Phoenix Vagina.