EVE General Discussion

Yes, that. Want to set taxes or share wallets? Build a financial office in space, maybe as a module to a citadel. Want to share hangars? Build a citadel. Want to set roles and titles or award medals? Plug an administration module in your citadel. That way, making a corp that can do stuff is an investment, and if as a corp you have something other players don't you can lose it as well.

I think we are headed there anyway, but it will probably take another 10 years.

*Facedesk*
I swear to Bob I'm going to start a list of people who get this one arse backwards and star hunting them one by one.

You want less hubhumping degenerates, we need to make targeted , focused wars viable for the average corp.

Ralph understandable people would ask for this due to war dec spam, there is fault on both sides as in people having no reason to fight back against people who want execution style kills of easy targets, and this is the state of hisec at this point, it does not help that most new players are bypassing hisec now..., though the impact of them coming to hisec after being in 0.0 alliances might be interesting and change the environment, but will take time to manifest itself.

maybe i should respect him, maybe not.

had he worded his reply in a different tone. maybe i would respect him.

but the way he replied just gives me the image of someone who sits on jita gate spamming war decs all day.
which annoys me because, when i was a highsec carebear(a title i still like), i stay'd in highsec cause i didn't want to be forced into pvp.

i went to lowsec when i decided i was ready for pvp and the choice of being able to choose when to get into pvp has helped my enjoyment of the game.


tis why i consider high sec pvp the same as carebear pve.
for all people's argument of "content creation", they forget the content they claim they make(or complain is being restricted by concord and such), exists in abundance in low and nullsec(aka majority of the systems in game).

and FW is the prime game mode set up for this. the thing CCP made for pvp. instead of complaining they could join FW and help create content where its wanted and needed.

caldari has alot of openings for a European timezone pvp core. but that potential pvp core is wasted by people who, isntead of joining FW and giving the European gallente FW core content. they instead sit in jita and annoy carebears

if people want to promote pvp, they can help the pvp game mode. instead of forcing it upon those who don't want it, and wont fight back.


hypothetically
if FW dies, its because the potential pvpers, isntead of pvping. sat in jita picking on those who don't fight back....like carebears. while claiming "pvp content creation".

On the other hand, I'd argue that while it is easy to Dec Dodge, it is quite easy to force a corporation in a perpetual war and force them to drop corp/log off. It's cheaper to declare war on small entities (50m ISK) than on large ones (500m ISK), so it incentivizes targeting corporations that are small and can't readily participate in a war on any reasonable means. Without that, the players are left with "git gud", which is strong-arm for, "Quit the game", when you consider that the surrender terms are up to the aggressor to accept.

Thus, the hard part is declaring the war, really. Once it is declared, you as the aggressor wait until the target corp folds or, worse yet, quits the game out of boredom.

IMO, before we offer another helping hand to aggressors, there needs to be clear win/loss conditions to prevent from corporations being in a state of war ad infinitum. Furthermore, there needs to be another look at why we're incentivizing larger, wealthier corporations attacking smaller, poorer corporations. Otherwise we'll just perpetuate a system of small entities not being able to really do much of anything unless they fold and join up with the aforementioned larger entities.

War shouldn't be fair, but war shouldn't make the game unfun either.

Almost all of them own or have previously owned massive quantities of customs offices.

yeah I'll agree with you on cost, and I said this earlier in the thread
Reverse cost scaling is something I'd like to see too.
The system is currently arse backwards

As for helping the aggressors, mate, aggressive targeted wars were gutted a few months ago.
Seriously 8 months ago there was a thriving and dynamic Mercenary scene with heaps of drama, infighting and shifting alliances,
Loads of choice for a client in terms of service.

Now there's only around 5 or 6, including us.
That's pretty much it.

You have my condolences, sincerely. However, the War Dec system is something that needs to be looked over as a whole for the betterment of Eve's community, not just the high-sec Mercenaries. As said, I'm all for helping aggressors get their space opera back, but not until it's fun to be the defender, for a start. Having played station games, avoidance, and alt-maining for some seven months now, I can decidedly say that Eve Online is no longer fun when I'm playing in a completely different area of space than my corp, or when my corp-mates refuse to log-on. And to that end, changing things in further favor of aggressors right now might be the final nail in the coffin for some. Myself included.

There's no long-term value in aiding the high-sec mercenary in the interim when he'll just run out of targets due to increasingly slated gameplay. Defenders need to a reason to not fold and re-corp before we add another bullet point to why they should.

I also don't care how you respond to it

Any pilot who sits in Jita/Amarr/Dodixie/rens on the undocks waiting for newbs to undock or ganking mission runners and miners is not a pvp pilot

You may be doing what you refer to as "player vs player" but it is not, it is you attacking players, boosted to hell, legions of spy alts, killing people who CANNOT defend themselves and ganking every miner you see

Real pvp pilots LIKE MYSELF pvp in low/null, we attack pilots who are trying equally as hard to kill us, what we do is RISK VS REWARD

What you do is their risk of undocking vs your reward of looting their ships

You are not mercs

I am ex REAL MC. I flew under Selenee, you, are griefers, end of story

So stop calling yourself mercs

Oh and before you start the "show me where the bad man touched you bullshit"

Ive never died to a griefer because I am not stupid enough to join a corp in high sec

Your noobs, end of.

Except I've been at war with your main and all you did was talk smack.
And I've personally tried to catch your stabbed ass.
Get your head out of your arse,
Chest beat all you want about your "real" PvP but you're still just as toxic, bitter and irrelevant as you were then.

The rest of your rant isn't worth addressing,
applicable to some but not Devil's.