EVE General Discussion

thats entirely not the point here.
most of the targets we have had , dont have any static assets in space either.

believe it or not , you can hurt mercs, no static punching bag to blob needed either.

I agree. The current state of locator agents/no watch list is absurd. You should not have to blindly stumble around the universe looking for your opponent in a game where logging out makes you 100% safe from attack. It makes a mockery of the idea of persistent conflict and makes bounty hunting, revenge (via kill rights), mercenary work, and many other types of supposed intended game play impractical. Fights in a virtual world should not be just random things you do with people you bump into, but designed to produce meaningful content for reasons beyond serendipity.

It was however also equally absurd to have 3rd party programs that could immediately ping you when one of a thousand different super pilots logged into the game. That was broken and needed a fix, but it is a shame CCP threw so much out with the bathwater and has been so slow to address this. Hunters need ways to know if their target is online. Those ways don't have to be free, and they don't need to be invulnerable like the watchlist was, but there needs to be ways to know if you should even try to find someone or people will continue to just stop trying.

As to the OP, it is corporations that are the entities at war, not the players. Players should always be able to decide they have had enough and take their ball and go home to the NPC corp and relative safety. The fact that wars produce so little content stems from the fact corporations have so little value, that they just aren't worth defending in the majority of cases. Pride in your corp has some value, but there has to be something more to get the average loss-averse Eve player to step up and try to defend themselves when evasion is so easy, and cost-free. Corporations should give real benefits, whether through structures or otherwise, so players want to be in them and defend them to keep those benefits.

At the same time, if all corporations are going to be interchangeable in the benefits they provide, there needs to be some mechanism to prevent players from just hopping between corporations to keep those benefits but dodging wars like they do today. Perhaps just a simple 7-day ban on joining another player corporation (or perhaps you can join but somehow are excluded from most benefits for 7 days). Or another idea I like is you can leave a corporation with no penalty, but if you join another player corp during the remainder of that war, the aggressors get a corporation-level killright against you that only lasts for the remainder of that war.

Structures though may be a better answer. Moving all the corporation benefits into the new structures (which only apply to players in the same corp as the structure), inherently solves the problem as structures cannot dodge a war. Players can flee a corp, but they will lose both the benefits provided by these structures, and possibly their assets as penalty for not defending. Risk vs. reward would be restored.

Ah well, none of these fixes are easy. Let's see if CCP has the motivation to spend the significant development time necessary to revamp the whole system. I think they will get around to it eventually, but eventually can be an awfully long time when dealing with CCP.

Ok so your talking about game mechanics bonuses for why players should stay in corporations.

To that yes i agree there should be bonuses from the game for remaining in the same corp and for the corp to remain in the same alliance.

My apologies I did not grasp your meaning, so yes I did strawman you.

A more apt analogy would be saying Putin wants to PvP, therefor he invades New Zealand overnight.

I'm fine with Wardec's in general, but I despise the people that call themselves "mercenaries" because they're one of the biggest cowards in the game.

Yeah, prove to me how manly you are by wardeccing my mining corp. /s

Or you could make wardecs more useful against lowsec or nullsec groups and the ability to hire NPCs to attack your agressors as well. Hiring NPC guards would be interesting.
Not being able to capture someone else's systems in nullsec without having a wardec with them (because Sov is governed by concord) would also make nullsec more interesting.
Mercenary groups that only sit in hubs and in chokes to a particular cluster is boring and the equivalent of highsec gate camping.

I don't need to prove anything, but if a mercenary corporation does wardec your mining corp, it probably has nothing to do with being 'manly', and everything to do with who hired them to dec you. Maybe it was another mining corp that doesn't like the competition you present.

You are coming at this from an emotional approach, not a rational one. You are doing little more than getting mad, and throwing a tantrum. This does absolutely nothing for your 'cause', and everything to invite people to come and do exactly what you suggest, and wring as many tears from you as possible, regardless of your opinion of their 'manliness'. I recommend you calm down, and get a grip on reality.

The insinuated pejorative when you questioned my 'manliness' for no other reason than to question my manliness made it obvious. It's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is what you would have addressed had you been calm and reasonable, instead of my 'manliness'.

There was also the part where you called all mercenaries 'cowards', which is not just wrong, but off-the-charts histrionics.

Maybe you want to take a look at that box again, I am holding it in my hand right now.



Where are the statements about the great experience of sitting in an asteroid belt and just chewing on rocks for hours?
Where is the line that promotes the great PvE content (which gets promoted in every non PvP centric MMO)?

Everything that is stated on the box is about interaction between players, you are as usually just twisting things to a point where they would be beneficial to your argumentation.

Thanks for making me laugh with that statement about corp tax though. Gonna keep that one in mind.

"Lower corp taxes are not a benefit, because you don´t have lower taxes as soon as you leave the corp," - ROFL.

The fact that certain players act like NPCs and bots, doesn't mean shooting them should be thought of as a PvE.

As tempting as that is, let's not be too negative towards them. Highsec carebears are people too.