EVE General Discussion

Your worldview does not match with CCP's worldview, and they will never match, so I just think you should carry on.




Can I have your stuff?

so do you like it or no??

Not sure what to think of this but i can say the game eve is not the same old eve anymore the made it more how you say it correct. And not over the top.... arcade... Yeah its more friendly and not that hard to start in this game. Do you vets want that i do not think so but the numbers in the other hand CCP force there hands and doing crazy stuff lately.

Do i agree with them? No that's why my sub is canceled. Until the figure it out what to do with eve and how this continue. Not saying anything here. Just to point out. That some of your wall of text are correct and wrong.

That is not a "single detail" as you put it, that's you purposely omitting a very important fact. You're not in it, nor willing to pay for, the long haul.

Yet he whines for his cookie like a 5 year old, lies like a 5 year old who fully expects to not be found out and uses the egocentric logic of a millennial.

Also, age doesn't mean much. If it did I'd be really smart.

Unfortunately, a lot of younger gamers have been spoiled by the prevalence of F2P MMOs over the past few years.

Developers of successful non-free MMOs have been hounded by such people since F2P became a thing.

I think we old grampuses have to be alert, work hard, and rescue new guys from the tutorials. I keep seeing:

Q: "How do I find the criminal?"
A: (from another new guy) "he's in pator."

Q: "Mission is bugged(?) Where do I warp to to mine?"
A: (silence, skipped)

What I'm saying is, I started the tutorials on an Alpha, but couldn't hang in there and continue. Not CCP's fault, I knew the spoiler already, just didn't have the time or patience. But it seems people do get stuck in them. (Overview, incomplete documentation/ instructions, whatever. How many ways not to be able to complete a mission? Pretty much infinite, right?)

Solution: PM the player, see if you can figure it out together. And if not, give em a few mil isk and the Things to Do in EVE Online chart. Hate to interrupt anybody's new player experience with unearned isk. But the alternative is... stuck, frustrated, browse your PC for other stuff to do?

ah. Valid position I suppose. Matter of value vs cost I guess.

Another "entitled" f2p blighting the landscape here.

I too subscribed a few accounts off and on for years starting late 06 (looks like I have about 210M SP across a few characters). Most of it trained sans +5s so let's call it a minimum of 100 months * 10 == $1000 paid by me or others. OP I'm completely with you.

I *have* paid other games more money for unlocks than I would have otherwise at 15 * months played. When I pay for time I feel compelled to get my money's worth, so I do nothing BUT play that game and burn out quickly. I already know this about myself, so I avoid monthly sub games.

With a permanent unlock, even if it costs more per hour played, the pressure is off. So I play for a day, week or a month when I feel like it and stop when I don't. When I'm not around I'm not using up server resources. And when I am the company usually winds up with a few bucks for the latest shiny.

That's the reality of the MMO landscape today. Filthy casuals like me and the OP as far as the eye can see. If CCP wants the big money rolling in (and they do), the path is clear -- appeal to the flighty casuals, or make do with an ever shrinking base of bittervets. IMO Alpha clones are only a start, and OPs ideas will be a reality before too long.

As far as pay to win -- that ship is entirely imaginary. However, if it were real it has sailed long ago. Remember the summer of rage over the mere THOUGHT of non-cosmetic, in-game advantage items being sold in the Aurum store got people to unsub en masse? A few years later nobody bats an eye over skill extractors/injectors. When golden ships and golden ammo show up bittervets will grumble, but move on.

I work in technology (Waterfall / Agile methodologies) with a global team but only as an End User perspective so my next few statements may need to be flavored accordingly: Computer based MMO's of quality have an infrastructure and technology team requirement like none other in the gaming industry. I would liken them to a banking industry. The difference is that games don't hand out loans as a means of supplementing revenue lost due to fee waivers. Yet they have quarterly releases for updates, new content and products and such.

Just to entertain the thought, is it possible to have both subs and satisfy the hungry Alphas? Yes. However, as a player base, are we sure we want what that would entail? As I see it currently, the game would no longer be Eve as we know it today.

This type of model would require (at a minimum) a quarterly release schedule to offer Alpha's something worthy buying while also giving subscribers deeper content. Why? CCP needs income and needs it to be predictable and dependable for project management sake and their own bills. Sounds alright? Except, the fact that this will inevitably turn the New Eden store into one of those annoying in game advertising schemes that has turned me off of so many other MMO's. I want to play a game, not be advertised to. Maybe that's just me. Seeing the Omega reminders on several items in game is about as close to that gaming style as I would want to see. Why is it inevitable? Because we are asking to slice and dice the game mechanics into purchasable packages which requires advertising and a marketplace.

Because things are purchasable, it lends credence to complaints of "games favor the whales" (whales are those loose wallets that spend real money on gems or xp increases). I see many apologetics in these forums defending how newbies can indeed hold their own if they simply do some research and get a good corp. Having aspects of the game pieced in order to generate revenue would destroy those defense arguments and the overall game mechanics as we know it today.

Eventually, those products will turn into in game items (ships, weapons, rigs, etc) which are only obtainable through a purchase. Which, having consistent products pushed means Eve will inevitably lose the player driven economy and we'd probably see inflation at a rate that even the Veterans wouldn't be able to predict. Speaking of a player driven economy, I always hated instancing and world bosses tas the only means of obtaining a gear piece. A blue print makes far more sense and remains player driven. But I would not care for purchasing the blue print from the GM shop.

Rant, feel free to skip: These GM Shop games are just taking advantage of impulse buyers. I'm waiting to see what happens to Supercell since Clash of Clans seems to be standing the test of time. Free with no ad's won't last forever. I do reserve the right to be wrong, but, time will be the judge. Ultimately, companies want money for which we cannot fault them; not all of them believe in their product so much that they would let it endure the market ups and downs without making changes--exhibit A, was it SONY that took SWG (Pre-NGE) and threw it in the toilet as a response to WoW. That was probably the only other game with a decent player driven economy. Oh well, we'll see where CCP stands on this in time.

Eve is unique. Do we believe in Eve as it is? Then why change it? If we have to change it, can we do so in a manner that avoids the pitfalls that I'm listing above? CCP needs to adapt to the market regardless of how it's player base feels. They need to ensure income and subscribers are the most predicable and dependable where as lump sum payment are sporadic and far less predictable. In addition, because of the infrastructure and team required to run a computer based MMO, lump sum payments cannot sustain a game. Therefore multiple lump sums will be sought for. That is essentially a subscription plan without a predetermined due date.

My wife has a subscription to a gym that she attends about 6 months of the year yet she pays for 12. I have a subscription to a piano lesson site but I'm not on it every day. I pay an absolute minimum for water or electric every month whether I use it or not (and sometimes i am below that minimum). Why will i treat my games differently than the rest of my life?

For me, while I think some fun content and super wise planning could make it work, it's not worth it. (I don't plan on subscribing either way, nor would i buy from the gm shop, maybe after i pay off some debt and can justify owning virtual assets that do not increase my portfolio).

And it's 3:30 am ... i'm tired, no more proofreading for tonight.