Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because every game needs to have "flaws" to make things "interesting."

And when I say "flaw" I mean "the game doesn't always tell you exactly what you need to know, want to know, do things for you, or protect you from yourself."

If it wasn't for this particular little quirk of the game, the OP would not have come to the forums and whined about it. And I would not be as amused as I am now.

"If it wasn't for this particular little quirk of the game, the OP would not have come to the forums and whined about it. And I would not be as amused as I am now." - The game wasn't designed to cater to your fetish for forum schadenfreude. Get over yourself, and get a life. You, a player of this game, should approve of basic interface improvements, and definitely should not be attacking others for wanting them.

No. It's because this game attracts arseholes who take pleasure in the misfortunes of others - and this game seems to cultivate those traits. Like any ********, these one flock to any such manifestation of misfortune, wherever it may be found. Like flies on a dung heap.

True enough.
But you can't say it doesn't make things "interesting."


Nah. Some of the best fights, situations, and general WTF moments I have been in are a direct result of UI "issues."

Hell... some of the biggest fights in the game have been the result of someone literally clicking the wrong button.


Making things "idiot proof" would result in boredom.

I fail to see how it's for my benefit. I'm not the one whinging on about how I threw away my groceries because I forgot to take them out of the sack I brought them home in before I threw it away. I mean how desperately did you need to get rid of that rookie ship that you had to trash it without getting your packages out of the boot?

Well. Here is the TL;DR.

When you trash an item or ship it shows the list of the item(s) that you are about to trash. However, when you trash a ship it does not include the items inside which are also going to be trashed. My suggestion is that the list include the modules and cargo loaded into that ship.

This is particularly important for when you want to clean up your inventory and trash a bunch of rookie ships remotely. As it is impossible to view their contents when doing so.

Elenahina - You're grasping at straws here. Give it up and stop throwing out baseless attacks. Nobody is "whinging" about anything except you. Marcus' post was not an insult to you or your supposedly perfectly designed game interface. Stop feeling offended and defensive, and stop insulting him. As Marcus stated in his TL;DR version just now:

When you trash an item or ship it shows the ISK value of the item(s) that you are about to trash. However, when you trash a ship it does not include the value of cargo which is also going to be trashed. My suggestion is that the estimated value include the modules and cargo installed and loaded into that ship.


That's all this thread is about. There is no logical argument against that suggestion. Stop turning this into a personal issue.

And you are quite mistaken that the OP was in any way offering a suggestion or some kind of constructive criticism. It was literally a whinge about how annoying this was for him personally.




The TL;DR is actually longer than the original post, is constructive in that it illuminates a problem and offers a solution, and doesn't have the tone of a five year old who just lost a lolly in the sand. Had the thread started with that, it might have gone very differently.

But as I said, I am under no obligation to do anything but point and laugh when people do silly things. vOv

People don't defend flaws or bugs or features, but a small percentage are zombies drawn by anyone complaining. They want to feed on you and any reaction at all is nutritious to the howling black sucking hole in their chests where most people have hearts.
Repackage and reprocess are right next to each other, allowing drunk people to wonder where all that morphite suddenly came from.
Clear all cache files and clear all settings are right next to each other, one mouse slip and you're gonna have a bad time.
Mouse jitter can mean moving that Caldari Navy module from one cargo to hangar makes it end up in the cargo of another ship. If a number of ships are trashed you lose.

TLDR yes sometimes people are stupid, but the wretches who crouch drooling and waiting to point out stupidity are usually more tragic.

OR...the devs can make the interface more consistent and informative to make their game better. ...but nahhh, that's just a crazy idea, right?