EVE General Discussion

I think its pretty irrational to try an accuse a subbed account of being "entitled".

Ofc they are entitled. They have paid.

What is irrational about this current system, is that when you pay, you lose access to the free service.

As I argued earlier, there is strong reasoning for having one alpha account being allowed to run concurrently with one omega account.

OP demands that his 3rd character (in his 1 account), since he is paying the regular sub and MCT to his 2nd, be also allowed to train for SP at alpha clone rates, unlimitedly.

do you think CCP will agree to that? MCT will be useless.

you also forgot that we can now sell SP via extractors/injectors, what will happen to that market because of this?

It's unreasonable to make requests apparently when you're a happy paying customer.

Imagine the state of the world if every "entitled" person just kept quiet. We'd be lucky to have indoor bathrooms...

Nothing wrong with making suggestions.

When you're already getting what you've paid for, demanding more under the premise that you paid for it is 'entitlement', the kind where you think you're owed more than you have earned.

1) I disagree with OP. Let me make that clear. There is no rationale (currently) whereby the 3rd character on an Omega account, with second character in MST, should receive Alpha rate skill development for free. The same rule of training only one character per account applies to both Alphas and Omegas. Omega characters across the account have no skill restrictions, twice the SP rate of alphas, when trained. Multitraining is an added option for Omegas. This is jo different than before, since you couldnt multitrain an unsubbed account anyways.

2) Lets face it, it was extremely common before, to run a trial account alongside a main subbed account.
-People would use Buddy Codes to create an Alt Trial, sub it, and earn a PLEX on the Buddy deal.
-People would create Alt Trials, then upgrade them with Content Packs, to receive 15+20 days of trial, and then sub them with basically those 35 days being added to the subbed account (I dont know whether this worked with Buddy system for a PLEX ontop of that).

Infact I would argue these where the best, most profitable and expedient ways to create an alt.
This precedence of flying a main, alongside a trial, exists.
Ergo, of flying a paid account alongside a free account (for the duration of the trial).

3) My concern, is that Omegas lose access to the free Alpha service.
I have explained this here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6720626#post6720626

Imo it doesnt make sense that a paying Omega sub loses access to an Alpha account (which is free for non-payers).
I think each Omega account should be able to fly a free Alpha alongside it.
Its irrational that when you pay, you lose a service that is otherwise free.
The free service (one Alpha) should be included (as free) in the Omega sub.

In terms of regulation, simply require that the Alpha accou t has the same email registration as the Omega account.
If you change email, the free alpha no longer applies as being able to fly si ultaneously with your Omega client/account, u less you change both.
When the Omega sub expires, the system defaults to the current settings, and you will only be able to fly one of the (now) Alpha accounts at a time.

Refer to the other thread I linked where I elaborate on other rational arguments for the advantage of this system, to players, the commu ity and CCP.

Im going to explain this to you once, and only once.

A) Your overt belligerence is a sign and result of weakness. If you are taking any of this personally, or cannot remain civil on the issue you should walk away from the keyboard right now and re-evaluate your priorities.

B) Alphas are INDEFINITELY FREE. You seem to not have internalized the extent of this change as compared to limited trial periods.

C) Do you understand what free means? It means it costs nothing.

D) A subbed account is NOT FREE. It is paid. This is a fundamental 01 binary situation.

E) Free Alpha players contribute nothing to CCPs revenue.

F) Paid Omega players contribute to CCPs revenue.

G) "doesn't mean you get a free toon to play at the same time"
It is a free toon. Show me how Alphas are not free. All alphas are free. They are systemically free.
Since they are free, they require no payment to play.
Ergo, it is irrational that a paying player should not have access to a free account same as non-paying clients does.
I am paying to play my Omega account, its nonsense that for paying I lose access to an alpha account, for which NO ONE is paying. Cos its free.

H) It is not rational to detract a FREE service from a PAYING customer.
It is FREE, and should be included in a paid service package, cos its FREE.
A PAID OMEGA account should not suffer the loss of a free service that NON-paying users enjoy.
It rationally should be included in paid service, as free.
Hence, that each single paid omega account can fly a free single alpha account, same as non-paying persons.

I) I have elaborated on this extensively in the other thread. I will not crosspost the existing arguments in the other thread because you are neither paying me to do so, nor motivating to me to do so. It is incumbent on you to go and read it yourself as it was linked as a reference. If your next response belies you have not read the li ked thread, I will disregard your response

And then the caps-lock goes on for the remainder of the post.



I agree! Fortunately, that's not what actually happens. You're opting to envision this as a limitation applied to Omega accounts, but it isn't - the limitation is applied to Alpha accounts. An alpha account cannot be logged in concurrently with any other account.

You don't lose the ability to use an Alpha account by subbing Omega, it's just that the pre-existing single-concurrent-use limitation of Alpha accounts exists irrespective of the utilization of an Omega account. The restriction is logically contained wholly within the Alpha account. As an Omega sub, you are still welcome to use the free Alpha clones within the scope of their limitations.

Capitalization was for emphasis of specific concepts.
This was for your benefit, so your limited reading skills and attention span are not strained too far.

Im not going to apologize if LOUD NOISES trigger you, or you construe them as anything other than emphasis for your benefit.

I understand the argument, that paying for an account upgrades it to Omega status.

But this does not refute the parallel fact that Alphas are free.

It does not make sense that when you PAY for a service, that you would lose the advantage of someone that does not.

Crosspaste:
Consider the following example:
-You are in a store that is offering free smaller, less packaged/perfect samples of their product.
-You consume a sample, and enjoy it.
-You buy the product at full price.
-You ask if you can still have a free sample.
-They respond, "no, because you bought the product".
-Meanwhile you watch as other customers who have not paid ANYTHING yet continue to gorge themselves on the free samples.
-But you cant.

To put it simply, Alphas are free. Omegas are paid.
This means Alphas have zero monetary value, whatsoever,
It is not sensible that a paying customer, loses a service that is free to non-paying customers.

Ergo, each Omega account should have access to one Alpha account.
You pay for the Omega benefits for that account, but it is irrational to not have access to the same free service non paying clients have. Paying clients should get what they paid for as well as the free (read: FREE) service that non paying plebs get.
As I explained, this can be regulated by email registration being required to the same address from both.

I'd like to file a support ticket because the OP is forcing me to not have his items in my hangar.

He explained better than i did!!!

But thats the point.....