EVE General Discussion

If there was something like a civilian cloak with a normal cycle, but then a 1 minute cool down before reactivation, it wouldn't be useful for anything other than MWD/cloak trick.

That's the sort of thing Cagali was getting at on twitter. A severely gimped capability with lots of problems. Just enough to help T1 haulers through gate camps and high risk highsec systems.

While a personal army could do the job just as easily in T1 explo frigs, they won't be able to do it in Asteros because they can't cross train. But geeez, the logging in and out.

Not all controversial topics are trolls. I was definitely more interested in discussion. You know, people have a starting position, then modify their position based on the comments made by others. And reading through the thread, that's what I got. Only one person responded with insult, there were a couple monosyllabic responses, but most replies have been serious and thoughtful. While I'd like to think the tone of the op determined the tone of the thread, maybe I just lucked out this time.

Obviously, my intention was to bring others to my point of view, but that hasn't happened much. More, I found myself modifying my own stance. That is btw required for any discussion. It is useless to expect or hope for others to change their position, if you are unwilling to change your own. I edited the op to include the idea to make cloaks require fuel, but that was not my idea, it came from Eternus8lux8lucis down thread. Also, the idea to make a cloak only good for 1 minute came up in thread, which would be good for getting past gate camps, but not much else. This was another idea that came up in thread and not from me.

So I am happy with where this thread has gone so far but not because I was trolling.

If alphas did have cloaking It would make the game better imo, I know many people would create new accounts just so they could put a cloaky in their enemies systems. More people logged into the game means more pvp opportunities.

Considering you can't log in more than one....not sure this will happen. Especially with cloaking 1. They'll have a ship with a prototype cloak and that is about it.

Right, and lots of people are going to make cheap computers just to AFK cloaky camp...I'll believe it when I see it (on a widespread basis and not just some chump doing it because).

And if people do find a work around and log in more than one Alpha on one computer...Hello Exploit and Permaban. Nice knowing you.

Considering you could build a computer for less than a 1 month sub to EvE and get a cloaky camper for ever, yes a lot of people would do it. All you need is one of those cheap second hand/recycling places and your set.

As to permabans possibly but people always have used expolits/bots in the past and I am sure some still do. Giving a free account cloaking is just asking for trouble.

It is amazing how many Eve players understand opportunity cost when it comes to minerals, but completely fail in applying it anywhere else. Yes, I am going to spend my time building and money a 1-2 dozen el-cheapo PCs simply to cloaky camp systems in an t1 frig with a prototype cloak. And in fact dozens and even hundreds of people are going to do this because they have literally nothing better to do with that money or their time. Sure.

This is the type of reasoning behind every single instance where people light their hair on fire over minor changes.

Oh, and I presume if this change were to go in to effect you'll be one of the people doing it. Right?

I'm paying for the opportunity to use a claoking device.

Alphas are extended Trial accounts. If you REALLY get into Eve you will make a subscription. If not why devaluate the omega accounts? Every extra abilitie for non paying players devaluates my omega account and causes multiple other problems.

IMHO CCP has almost hit the sweet spot to make Alphas viable playing chars while limiting them so that you will be longing for an Omega account after a short time. Eve doesn't have any micropayment (except for skins) so the income from alpha accounts is rather limited while they cost the same as omega accounts. Even if you give CCP a hefty margin of 50% for developement + and profit they are still loosing 6$ per Alpha/month.

Alphas are good as they are! Try to convince some Alphas to subsribe instead of making Alphas so good that omegas start to think about going to Alpha!

Ok, this thread is definitely not about "making alphas so good that omegas start to think about going alpha." The idea is to give alphas a very limited cloak so it is easier for them to get in-and-out of lowsec/null. That's pretty much it.