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Federal detention facilities in Black Rise.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-11-20 10:51:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
You probably heard that "The Federation must be destroyed", or even why I was saying it and what exact Federal flaw I was referring to. But today I would like to point on the flaw that can overshadow all the others and probably everything else you have heard about the Federation. All listed facts you will be able to verify yourselves.

Black Rise is a relatively freshly colonized region, that was impenetrable to investigation for centuries. Only several decades ago Caldari megacorporations discovered ways to traverse here and began colonization, that was kept in secret. The existence of the colonies was revealed in YC110, when the war for its control with the Federation began.

According to CONCORD rules high highsec systems cannot be contested. But they are, since it is in deadspace pockets of Caldari highsec systems in Black Rise gallenteans do their most dark deeds. They establish prison facilities, where they keep Caldari prisoners of war. Right in our space, guarded by small fleets of Federal Navy.

These installations have names "Federation Detention Facitily FNSBR-106V" and today we will talk about them.


1. Explosive prison facilities.

When you break into the second part of the installation, you will find loosely guarded prison grounds. There are always nine detention facilities inside with only eight of them occupied. They are designated by the source where the prisoners come from.

Eight occupied are:
FNSBR-106V.SUV
FNSBR-106V.HYA
FNSBR-106V.CBD
FNSBR-106V.NOH
FNSBR-106V.LAI
FNSBR-106V.WIY
and even FNSBR-106V.CNAV - for Caldari Navy.

As you can guess, the last one unoccupied has designation of
FNSBR-106V.ISH We all know what megacorporation it relates too, but we'll leave it for future discussion, as for now we are discussing Federal crimes, not Ishukone's.

The security of these seemingly independent facilities is rather brutal in a typical federal way: as soon as the security at least in one facility will be breached, it will trigger explosions in all other structures. The explosion timer is set on one minute.

According to the briefing you get before the penetrating this installation,
Quote:
Past the security cordon and deeper into the compound, the bleak vista quickly fills with small prison facilities, each of them capable of holding thousands of captured Caldari citizens. In a particularly dishonorable move, the Gallente Federation implanted self-destruct mechanisms on all of the structures to guard against unauthorized entry. This grim reality was discovered after the first frontal assault rescue missions launched by the Caldari Navy failed entirely to achieve their objective. Since that time, Black Ops squads and other specialized task forces have taken on the noble goal of recovering captured servicemen.



2. Treatment of POWs.

The rumors about the brutality of gallente methods of torture are widespread in the cluster. But their inhuman brutality extends not only towards those, whom they are supposed to torture, but even to just prisoners of war. I myself have been helping these poor victims of gallente mistreatment. I have been founding it in these facilities in Black Rise and on planetary colonies.

Today, every capsuleer or other happy NeoCom owner can pull a footage of prisoners. They won't get as graphic as you would see them with your own eyes, and I dare you to do the search for "Caldari Prisoners of War" on your NeoCom. For now, I will just quote a transcript that you can get there:

Quote:
All of these Caldari P.O.Ws show the signs of appalling treatment over an extended period of time. Even the most well-off are still suffering from starvation and serious malnourishment. The worst of them are barely alive after enduring sleep deprivation, physical abuse and other more excessive forms of torture. The women in particular, have not fared well under their Gallente jail masters, who have remorselessly taken whatever they desired from their captured prey.



3. Locating the facilities

As I have mentioned above, all listed facts in this report can be verified by capsuleers. The installations under discussion can be found in high security systems of Black Rise region (Ichoriya, Samanuni, Onnamon, etc). Federation establishes them in a deadspace pockets in captured Caldari mining outposts. This means the pilot shall use probes to find their location.There is almost always present at least one installation in any given high security system. Even when one is destroyed, a new one will appear shortly. That can bring us to a conclusion that at any given time there are several running installation of this kind.

Besides the probe scanner a capsuleer shall bring:
a) a combat warship, since there is a high chance of encountering a Federal Navy fleet in the first pocket;
b) a FedNav F.O.F Identifier Tag, which can either be acquired on contracts or looted from enemies while running errands for Caldari Navy;
and
c) a Data Analyzer module, if you intend to liberate the prisoners.


Conclusion

These Federal practices symbolize everything we hate about the Gallente Federation. This is whom we fight against every day, and from whom we are saving Caldari colonists. CONCORD knows about the situation, but did nothing. So now, it is our, capsuleer's duty to fight these abominable installations.

But keep in mind, they are just symptoms, they will keep appearing. It is the FEDERATION NAVY with the support of FDU, who are the main culprits, and it's them whom we shall be fighting against. And not just in these facilities, they shall be hunted down everywhere.

As our good officer Mr. Adams (known by his callsign "MantelGlobalIndustries") said in one of his famous speeches,
"Until there is no Gallente on Caldari Prime!"

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#2 - 2016-11-20 11:03:54 UTC
I eagerly await another round of Gallente loyalists condeming these prisons, but doing nothing about them, then proceeding to point out various things the State may or may not have done in a playground tit for tat argument.

Let the IGS posting war commence.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#3 - 2016-11-20 11:09:45 UTC
Ms. Kim, I'm sorry these facilities exist, as I watching them in horror by myself once on my exploration trips.

I'm not going to offer you any military aid in destroying those, nor would I advice you to do such action by yourself, but I will do try to close them down as using my citizen rights of the Gallente Federation. One of the perks of our democracy is that you can change things within; by talking to the public, to the government and trying to solve these issues in a peaceful manner, and put those responsible to the justice. That's the way freedom is and we wouldn't change it for a minute.

There are horrors to witness on both sides of this conflict, and reason and humanity is the way how to approach them.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-11-20 11:13:32 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
I eagerly await another round of Gallente loyalists condeming these prisons, but doing nothing about them, then proceeding to point out various things the State may or may not have done in a playground tit for tat argument.

Let the IGS posting war commence.

Mr. Onzo, as I have learned through my previous interactions with Gallente loyalists in IGS, majority of them doesn't condemt these prisons, but claim they don't exist at all. That's why I explained in details how they can be found so everyone could just see this by themselves.

Another part of gallente loyalists blame us in being "war criminals" instead, but neither of them could back their words with a verifiable information. It is exactly one such discussion in "Intergalactic Summit" NeoCom channel has happened with one of these loyalists, who were claiming they destroyed some sort of "Caldari" facility. Though there were no traces or other facilities nearby in the location they have specified.


And even if some loyalists will try to "condemn" them, it will be their attempt again to hide the truth or move the guilt to others, like "they did this, but not us".

I don't ask for condemnation. I don't need empty words. Especially, empty words from Federal lapdogs, who can't be trusted anymore.


I ask for action. And for retribution, delivered to all those, who serve Federation Navy and Federal Defence Union. I ask for justice, delivered
With fire and steel.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#5 - 2016-11-20 13:59:34 UTC
Yes, I have been attacking these facilities since at least a few months into being a capsuleer. I think there are many that do, but there they still remain even after all these years.

Such is the nature of the liberal imperialism of the Federation: To speak the platitudes of ideals, of human rights and dignity at home only to commit the worst atrocity abroad in the name of freedom and political or military expediency.

Yet in my experience, when they are returned the same savagery and cruelty which they commit abroad they will cry foul and decry villainy and evil -- villainy and evil they themselves commit.

With matters such as this there really is no other recourse but to return blood for blood and death for death.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2016-11-20 15:31:20 UTC
Ms. Kim,


I'm sorry to have to tell you so bluntly, but the reality of the situation is...

NO ONE CARES.

The Gallente commit atrocities on the Caldari, the Amarr commit atrocities on the Minmatar, it all goes round and round and you don't see that your own governments and the policies of organizations like CONCORD are the real reason these atrocities continue.

You can sit here crying about how the Federation must be destroyed until you're blue in the face but it will never happen because your own government and corporations make a tidy profit off the Pendulum Wars.

You want these atrocities to stop? Quit whining about it and start doing something about it. The reasoning is as old as time. Want to find out who did the bad thing? Follow the ISK. There you will find a way for this to stop.





"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-11-20 16:01:48 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Ms. Kim,


I'm sorry to have to tell you so bluntly, but the reality of the situation is...

NO ONE CARES.


Wrong. I personally care very greatly indeed. I've seen and dealt with these "prisons" myself and... well. I'll spare you the details of how it affected me. Needless to say, I was badly upset.

But I don't believe that joining the militia and contributing to the endless cycle of death and hatred that perpetuates the existence of these facilities is going to help.

The State is aware of them and it deals with them as best it can. If the Scope and others in the Federation's allegedly free press lack the testicular fortitude to bring these facilities to the public eye then there's really not much that shooting a bunch of FDU crap-baskets is going to achieve to change that.

I'd rather work on keeping our people wealthy and strong. You know: things that might actually ACHIEVE something in the long run.



AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#8 - 2016-11-20 16:34:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Wow.... This is horrible!!!!!

You should totally drop your service to the state protectorate and focus solely on attacking baseline federation ships transporting caldari pows to these facilities. Obviously nobody is doing it so you should devote all of your idle time spent posting here hunting them down! I say drop from the state protectorate because, after all where do you think a large number of these pows come from? Invite all of your comrades in the state protectorate to take this stance too! After all it gives those evil Galante access to fresh pows to torture. You'll be serving the state in ways more patriotic than merely being some privateer killing for easy isk, you'll truely be fighting back! But don't forget to devote all of your time, after all every word you type here is a precious caldari life cut short!!! The easy money gained from fighting a pointless war should easily be worth less than knowing you are making a real difference to your people!

Roll
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-11-20 21:21:16 UTC
Punitive action against the Federation does not always have to take place under the aegis of CONCORD sponsored militias. They should be undertaken whether or not the DED approves. I certainly had no qualms sending a few thousand Gallente to be Kuvakei's toys in personal protest against the Federal government, for one.

We all must do our part, after all.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#10 - 2016-11-21 15:12:38 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Punitive action against the Federation does not always have to take place under the aegis of CONCORD sponsored militias. They should be undertaken whether or not the DED approves. I certainly had no qualms sending a few thousand Gallente to be Kuvakei's toys in personal protest against the Federal government, for one.

We all must do our part, after all.

What's the logic behind sending them to sansha? Do you consider Kuvakei's nation to be less of a threat to Caldari or see your "packages" a drop in the ocean on a grand scale of things.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-11-21 16:22:18 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
I eagerly await another round of Gallente loyalists condeming these prisons, but doing nothing about them, then proceeding to point out various things the State may or may not have done in a playground tit for tat argument.

Let the IGS posting war commence.


What exactly could FDU pilots even do about it? What, shoot the detention facilities?

The only thing you can really do is lobby the Senate, but to my knowledge they don't even acknowledge the existence of this crap.

This is the issue with the cloak and dagger manner with which the Black Eagles and Roden have been conducting things. It's impossible to work within actual democratic structures to fix it, because the Federation is not functionally a democracy anymore. It just has democratic elections and then operates in shadows. This is why I renounced my citizenship.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2016-11-21 17:12:08 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Punitive action against the Federation does not always have to take place under the aegis of CONCORD sponsored militias. They should be undertaken whether or not the DED approves. I certainly had no qualms sending a few thousand Gallente to be Kuvakei's toys in personal protest against the Federal government, for one.

We all must do our part, after all.

What's the logic behind sending them to sansha? Do you consider Kuvakei's nation to be less of a threat to Caldari or see your "packages" a drop in the ocean on a grand scale of things.

She's deliberately being horrifying, sir.

She's trying out being an ostentatiously-ruthless ethno-nationalist. It's kind of a phase, or at least the ostentation is.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2016-11-21 17:28:21 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Punitive action against the Federation does not always have to take place under the aegis of CONCORD sponsored militias. They should be undertaken whether or not the DED approves. I certainly had no qualms sending a few thousand Gallente to be Kuvakei's toys in personal protest against the Federal government, for one.

We all must do our part, after all.

What's the logic behind sending them to sansha? Do you consider Kuvakei's nation to be less of a threat to Caldari or see your "packages" a drop in the ocean on a grand scale of things.

The meat of the deal was a one for one exchange of FDU POWs for Caldari captives of Sansha. I would remind those who are horrified that humane treatment of prisoners is a reciprocal agreement. When the Federal government showed that they didn't care for their Caldari prisoners, they were also stating that they didn't care about their own crews.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Tsao Aubbes
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#14 - 2016-11-21 17:31:31 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Punitive action against the Federation does not always have to take place under the aegis of CONCORD sponsored militias. They should be undertaken whether or not the DED approves. I certainly had no qualms sending a few thousand Gallente to be Kuvakei's toys in personal protest against the Federal government, for one.

We all must do our part, after all.

What's the logic behind sending them to sansha? Do you consider Kuvakei's nation to be less of a threat to Caldari or see your "packages" a drop in the ocean on a grand scale of things.

The meat of the deal was a one for one exchange of FDU POWs for Caldari captives of Sansha. I would remind those who are horrified that humane treatment of prisoners is a reciprocal agreement. When the Federal government showed that they didn't care for their Caldari prisoners, they were also stating that they didn't care about their own crews.

Do unto others as you wish to be treated, Sir. That is my opinion..

Tressith Sefira > You don't understand. She IS the awkward.

Jjaro Durandal
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2016-11-21 17:48:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jjaro Durandal
Rich coming from the mouth of the woman who decided it was kosher to broadcast the summary execution of her ethnically Gallente POWs on this forum.

Post Script: Noting she'll denounce me as a liar or slanderer or Gallente instead of ponying up on her hypocrisy.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2016-11-21 17:55:20 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Punitive action against the Federation does not always have to take place under the aegis of CONCORD sponsored militias. They should be undertaken whether or not the DED approves. I certainly had no qualms sending a few thousand Gallente to be Kuvakei's toys in personal protest against the Federal government, for one.

We all must do our part, after all.

What's the logic behind sending them to sansha? Do you consider Kuvakei's nation to be less of a threat to Caldari or see your "packages" a drop in the ocean on a grand scale of things.

The meat of the deal was a one for one exchange of FDU POWs for Caldari captives of Sansha. I would remind those who are horrified that humane treatment of prisoners is a reciprocal agreement. When the Federal government showed that they didn't care for their Caldari prisoners, they were also stating that they didn't care about their own crews.

Veik (probably deliberately) failed to characterize this as a "deal."

Even if it was one, though-- Sansha's Nation is an entity I literally would rather be shot dead than taken by, Pieter. And you're trading people to them?

Really? This is where we've come to? They don't treat our soldiers well, so it's okay to trade theirs into a cybernetic nightmare from which they'll awaken, in the best-case scenario, only when they die?

I'm ... yes. I'm horrified. I thought stuff like this was something the Caldari just wouldn't do, Pieter.

When I found myself afraid for my soul, I came to the Amarr because I knew they'd see something wrong and want to help me fix it, while the Caldari would just offer me a stiff drink and advise me not to think about it. I've sometimes wondered if that was a little unfair.

Apparently not. ... I guess ... Tibus Heth wasn't necessary. We're capable of being awful all on our own.

... I'm glad I got out when I did.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#17 - 2016-11-21 18:07:58 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Punitive action against the Federation does not always have to take place under the aegis of CONCORD sponsored militias. They should be undertaken whether or not the DED approves. I certainly had no qualms sending a few thousand Gallente to be Kuvakei's toys in personal protest against the Federal government, for one.

We all must do our part, after all.

What's the logic behind sending them to sansha? Do you consider Kuvakei's nation to be less of a threat to Caldari or see your "packages" a drop in the ocean on a grand scale of things.

She's deliberately being horrifying, sir.

She's trying out being an ostentatiously-ruthless ethno-nationalist. It's kind of a phase, or at least the ostentation is.

That's probably what none Caldari would see at the first glance. I can't find much logic there too, but maybe I'm missing something and there are some practical angle, she is Caldari after all.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The meat of the deal was a one for one exchange of FDU POWs for Caldari captives of Sansha. I would remind those who are horrified that humane treatment of prisoners is a reciprocal agreement. When the Federal government showed that they didn't care for their Caldari prisoners, they were also stating that they didn't care about their own crews.

Why to Sansha tho?
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2016-11-21 18:39:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
She's deliberately being horrifying, sir.

She's trying out being an ostentatiously-ruthless ethno-nationalist. It's kind of a phase, or at least the ostentation is.

That's probably what none Caldari would see at the first glance. I can't find much logic there too, but maybe I'm missing something and there are some practical angle, she is Caldari after all.


I am Caldari, sir. (Well, sort of.) I also used to fly with Veik.

Veiki's ... well....

Funnily, we kind of share a tradition. We both see ourselves as weapons, tools for others' hands. Only, I tend to interpret this in a minimal sort of way, for such a strong statement: I try to be a simple, well-crafted blade, dependable, sturdy, balanced, and easy to use efficiently. Other than that, I'm just a person.

(... part of which is occasionally requiring more care than I ideally probably should. Stupid emotions.)

Veiki's ... as a sword, Veiki would be the kind with blade catchers, three blood gutters, a spiked pommel, a mercury channel, a serrated edge, a serpent-curved blade, and a hidden mechanism for coating the blade in poison. Oh, and it would be huge.

A little hard to use well, maybe. ... Probably really, really hard to live as. I'm not sure she knows how to be that kind of sword and also still a person, so, she keeps kind of trying out different modes. Maybe kind of like experimenting with which fittings and features to attach.

So, you get genocide Veiki, with spalling ammunition and reflexive crew-targeting features.

And, diplomat Veiki, who actually gets along with people while constantly reminding you she's messing with your head.

And, Templis Veiki (the latest model!) who claims she's just dropped all pretense and gotten down to the very important business of being absolutely awful.

... It's not really a matter of logic, sir. I think she's just trying to find a way of living with herself. It's hard to find a comfortable way to sit, or stand, or lie down, when you could accidentally eviscerate yourself just by rolling over.
Merchant Rova
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#19 - 2016-11-21 19:02:00 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Veik (probably deliberately) failed to characterize this as a "deal."

Even if it was one, though-- Sansha's Nation is an entity I literally would rather be shot dead than taken by, Pieter. And you're trading people to them?

Really? This is where we've come to? They don't treat our soldiers well, so it's okay to trade theirs into a cybernetic nightmare from which they'll awaken, in the best-case scenario, only when they die?

I'm ... yes. I'm horrified. I thought stuff like this was something the Caldari just wouldn't do, Pieter.

When I found myself afraid for my soul, I came to the Amarr because I knew they'd see something wrong and want to help me fix it, while the Caldari would just offer me a stiff drink and advise me not to think about it. I've sometimes wondered if that was a little unfair.

Apparently not. ... I guess ... Tibus Heth wasn't necessary. We're capable of being awful all on our own.

... I'm glad I got out when I did.

I'm sorry this has been your experience, Miss. As a kid I was taught a rosy image of slavery, but when I actually saw what it entailed, the abuse, the genocide, etc. I realized I wanted no part of that. It's good that people are deciding to make decisions for themselves.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#20 - 2016-11-21 19:26:15 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:

What's the logic behind sending them to sansha? Do you consider Kuvakei's nation to be less of a threat to Caldari or see your "packages" a drop in the ocean on a grand scale of things.


It was a deal conducted with a Nation affiliate for the repatriation of Caldari citizens in return held by the group. I evaluated them to be a competent organization potentially useful in combat operations and thus useful to have around operationally. Yes, Nation is a threat to the State and yes, the group were all sons and daughters of whores but they were my kind of sons and daughters of whores.

It's called pragmatism, look it up. It's the reason I never bothered much with Amarrian groups -- they're about as useful in combat as a chocolate tea cup.

However, it is not like I have not kept a lot of Gallentean and Minmatar I have captured on my staff. After all, it's always better to surround yourself with competent enemies who will work out of gratitude to stay the blade than to have a single friend who will betray you out of envy.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

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