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Stealth bombers. Good for... ?

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Solitudinem Aeternus
Multiverse Trading
#1 - 2016-11-18 07:37:25 UTC
Hello!

There is a stupid guy who harassed me and pissed me off. I will have my revenge. Personally, I like my revenge served cold, I'm just trying to figure out the best way to achieve that. Of course that entails blowing up one of his ships, the question is "how."

I know what he flies (Battlecruisers), I know the racial variant, I know the damage he deals and is vulnerable to, blah blah (at least I think I do). I even know his stomping grounds. My question is whether one of these stealth bombers would do the trick. It would take a couple of weeks for me to skill up one of these things, so I don't want to waste the skill points if it isn't the right tool for the job.

What are these things good for? Aren't they supposed to be ganks? It seems huge battleship-sized torpedo launchers wouldn't be good against a small ship (something that could be easily ganked if it was hit). And against a big ship that could be hit, well, it would be able to take a few hits and survive, right?

Anyway, would one of these things generally be expected to be able to gank a heavy cruiser if fit and flown correctly? If not, what would you recommend?

Thanks.
Eric Erle
Blackout Deep Space Logistics
#2 - 2016-11-18 08:12:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Eric Erle
It can be done, but it depends on what hes piloting & of course skills & how you both pilot your ships. If hes in a missile boat, you may have a slim chance. You may be able to use EWAR. However the stealth bombers are paper thin.

Also a down side is you need to consider the fact he may have drones. Drones can be a pain in the anus. A small gang of frigs can do it, I know because I have been on the receiving end of this in a BC.

You could hire mercs, or just look for people that like the pew for a small gang up & blap.

Quick edit, if its 0.0 you can use bombs. Otherwise its just torps.
Solitudinem Aeternus
Multiverse Trading
#3 - 2016-11-18 08:28:35 UTC
Eric Erle wrote:
It can be done, but it depends on what hes piloting & of course skills & how you both pilot your ships. If hes in a missile boat, you may have a slim chance. You may be able to use EWAR. However the stealth bombers are paper thin.

Also a down side is you need to consider the fact he may have drones. Drones can be a pain in the anus. A small gang of frigs can do it, I know because I have been on the receiving end of this in a BC.

You could hire mercs, or just look for people that like the pew for a small gang up & blap.

Quick edit, if its 0.0 you can use bombs. Otherwise its just torps.


1) He has drones.

2) What are these stealth bombers supposed to be able to do? Gank miners or something?

3) Would bombs be better for this purpose? It's low sec... are they legal there?

Artsnis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-11-18 10:55:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Artsnis
bombers are supposed to bomb.


atm they are used for ninja structure bash and covert cyno. they used to ninja rat for officers, but it is not viable for a long time already.

i also heard about mission blitzing, but didnt try it solo. used dualbox with tanky ishkur that dealt with small ships, mostly for damsel, blockade and infested ruins.

in current game state they are not able to gank someone with at least somewhat viable fit. if you are able to deal enough damage - you will die to drones, if you can tank drones- you dont deal enough damage.


atm if you wanna grief someone you can bomb their faction mining drones. but i doubt that someone will mine with rorqual with neut in local.
Hei Presto
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-11-18 13:44:43 UTC
What else can you fly? What is he (possibly) flying?
Solitudinem Aeternus
Multiverse Trading
#6 - 2016-11-18 14:22:24 UTC
Hei Presto wrote:
What else can you fly? What is he (possibly) flying?


I can fly any TECH 1 ship at battleship level and below (but I just skilled into battleships). I'm not particularly high-skilled, maybe 'mid-grade.'

I would like to tell you exactly what he is flying, but if he reads these forums he may figure out who I am, and he will know I am after him :) But everything I've seen him fly is a tech 1 battlecruiser.

If you (or anyone) would like I can email you specifics.
Fleur Rouge
Out of Fwocus
Fwodin's Call
#7 - 2016-11-18 15:14:53 UTC
A stealth bomber fit with the knowledge you already have should be able to easily kill a Battlecruiser (note that BCs have close to BS signatures so take most of the bomb damage) as long as he isn't specifically fit for killing frigates.

There are a number of videos on Youtube of people hunting ratters in Stealth Bombers. It should be noted that since many of those were made MJDs have come out and so that needs taking into consideration, as you will probably have to stay outside of scram range so that you can tank the drones for long enough to kill the BC.
Kirkus Jameus
No Luck Corp
Kenshin Shogunate.
#8 - 2016-11-18 23:59:07 UTC
The Key word here is STEALTH. Use the strengths of the ship. Be sneaky and catch him unaware.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#9 - 2016-11-19 04:11:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Stealth Bombers are pretty much the definition of "glass cannon" or "light artillery")

They have:

Cons:
- less HP than a Frigate
- Destroyer level speed and agility (see: SBs are not fast or agile compared to other frigates)
- Extremely tight fitting options (there is not much in the way of "flexibility" in how you can fit this ship)

Pros:
- medium to high Cruiser-level damage (which is good for the package and price it comes in)
- stealth (this is a VERY big deal as the only way to know if a cloaked person is in a system is through the local chat listings)
- the ability to launch a Area of Effect bomb that deals massive damage to larger vessels (a few of these can wipe out entire fleets... can use only 0.0 space)


Basically... a Stealth Bomber is a "wolfpack" ship.
It won't be able to do much on its own without some kind of assistance... but in groups they can effectively MELT ships in mere seconds (fun fact: it takes about 50 Stealth Bombers to melt a Seiged/Triaged capital ship in less than 5 minutes)


In your particular situation... well... you will probably need a friend in another ship to apply warp disruption, stasis webs, and other forms of Ewar while you pound away at range.
You may need to warp off a few times (unless your buddy can also take care of the drones), but it is possible.


But... if you are hellbent on doing this solo... we kinda need to know the ship this guy typically flies.

The reason is; every ship has only so many "optimal" fitting configurations... even those fits have some inherent weaknesses that can be exploited.

Without knowing that bit of info we can only give general advice.
Solitudinem Aeternus
Multiverse Trading
#10 - 2016-11-19 06:13:12 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:

In your particular situation... well... you will probably need a friend in another ship to apply warp disruption, stasis webs, and other forms of Ewar while you pound away at range.

...

But... if you are hellbent on doing this solo... we kinda need to know the ship this guy typically flies.


I'd send you the particulars, but it is sounding like another approach might be warranted.

This thread has been quite helpful. Thanks to all who participated.
Soldier Forrester
DEMONS OF THE HIDDEN MIST
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#11 - 2016-11-20 05:07:16 UTC
take the same ship, fit it for PvP and use hardeners against his damage


...or just bring friends
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2016-11-23 10:47:01 UTC
Its entirely possible to take down big game in a bomber.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-11-23 11:50:05 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Solitudinem Aeternus wrote:

2) What are these stealth bombers supposed to be able to do? Gank miners or something?

Imagine: you peacefully mine/rat somewhere in 0.0. Quiet corner of the universe.

Suddenly neutral appears in local and seconds later you are pointed and covert cyno is shining close by.

And next second you see 10...20...30.... stealth bombers around. Minute later you are dead.
Seconds later and all of them are scattered over the system and cloaked. No chance to catch if they are experienced.

Works for ships up to Titan (i've seen recent killmail of Titan killed by SBs Shocked).

Solo bomber can kill undefended miner or non-bait hauler. Really this is not what these small beasties are for.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#14 - 2016-11-24 03:44:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
Solitudinem Aeternus wrote:

I'd send you the particulars, but it is sounding like another approach might be warranted.

This thread has been quite helpful. Thanks to all who participated.


It also depends on where he is. If its High sec and you cant get a kill right/Duel/suspect on him its pretty much a lost cause. Without those it comes down to HS ganking in which you have 10-20 seconds (maybe more ) to kill him before the Popo get you, very few ships can kill a battle cruiser in that time solo (even with a low 20k EHP that mean you have to apply 1k DPS minimum).

Edit, thought that this was appropriate. (Eve Physical are like being in water, also revenge and murder.)
Murder - NSFW
Wanda Fayne
#15 - 2016-11-25 00:21:10 UTC
What does he do in his "stomping grounds"? Can you use that against him in your attack?

For example, if he is missioning/ratting you might use the site or NPC to your advantage in certain instances.
If he pvp's, you can also wait until he is engaged and then gangup on him with his adversary. You may wind up with another fight, an ally, or some free lootBlink

You need to give more information if you really want some solid advice.

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