EVE General Discussion

One of the few things I have enjoyed over the years of playing Eve is mining. I know it sounds weird but I always have other things going on in the background that keep me busy in RL. I have run two account now for the better part of 6 years. One Orca pilot one Hulk pilot I have survived more gank attempts than I can remember, Now I am faced with the fact that CCP has nerfed the hulk and mining as a whole once again.

How did they nerf it? Well lets see they took one high slot away from the hulk which dropped its mining speed by about 30% even with t2 drones out. That is with full boosts and max skills.

Second Nerf: boost themselves they now cost between 4k to 8k each. And the best part is it cycles twice per one cycle of the strip miners.

So I am losing more money now in a field that does not make near as much as pretty much any other type of play. And before you say that it is "safe' play. Look at the kill broads. Mining ships make most of all the kills in the Eve universe.

Cya laters everyone it has been nice flying with you.

Virtually 100% of this is erroneous in some way or another. You should probably stop crying and actually do the math.

PS: Those boost charges cost something like a few hundred isk each to make. They're expensive because they're brand new and impatient idiots will cheerfully pay 1000% markups.

Before 8k m3 per two cycles now less than 6k m3 same time for cycles. Before if I had mining drones out I had to dump after first cycles because I was mining close to 5k m3 on one cycle timer. How is this a buff?

Pssst. They made the cycle time shorter, so maybe you should stop measuring things in utterly meaningless units such as "cycles" and try using an actual fixed frame of reference instead?

Wait, you mean like m3/second? That sort of reference where the number is higher than it used to be?

Pretty much a knee jerk reaction based on bad assumptions.

If you read the information properly & use your ships wisely, you'll actually be at least 20% better off overall.

Previously with a hulk, before the current patch (but after the change to mining lasers going from 3 to 2) my hulks where getting teh following (roughly) with max Rorqual boosts:

59.2 second cycle
3,700m3 ore/cycle

So lets assume 3.7k/cycle/minute.

Now with new changes to boosts, using a Rorq with onl T1 industrial core:

48.2 second cycle time
3,280 m3/cycle

Oh my god! Less per cycle!...But no, your cycle time is less and thus your yield is less PER CYCLE...but more PER MINUTE compared to your old.

Here let me break it down for you:

Old amount per second:

3,700 / 60 = 61.6666...
Rounding up to 62 to make it easy for myself
3,720m3 / minute

New amount:
3,280 / 48.2 = 68.049...
Rounding down to 68

68 * 60 = 4,080m3/minute

Now to find the difference:

4,080 - 3,720 = 360 m3

That's an increase of around 9% (too lazy to do that part of the math) Using just a T1 industrial core, the bonus on top of the old system.

Disclaimer: numbers are rough, from memory and it's late here, so expect some variance but the result is the samem you gained not lost

Yeah. But now your Rorqual must be on grid with you, so is the 9% (with only tech 1) yield boost to a Hulk worth it?

My guess is the Porpoise is going to be the miner's friend in most high-end ore situations (Orca's still in highsec likely.)

I obtained a Porpoise to add to my fleet. I haven't tried it out yet - charge BP's are still cooking, but I may buy a few pre-made just for testing.

I'll make sure to hit that Clean Ship button before I set out.


--Gadget - polishing the Porpoise

This post exactly explains the OP's problem.

People develop habits. It's natural, but it's also a pretty stupid thing to do in a game that changes every few months. In this case, the OP got used to doing things one way, things changes and the OP didn't (not realizing all the amazing advantages the changes meant), and runs to the forum to complain, just to be told how badly he/she is doing it.