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Multiboxing Alphas

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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#21 - 2016-11-17 14:07:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadget Helmsdottir
Asharin Anderan wrote:
If you can't, then that's a shame. My son wants to have a go at Eve as well, if we can't both play from same IP (though different PC's) then it's going to be , hey your turn to play now!


"But Daaaaad, it's my turn!"

"Hold on, boy."
**docks up and logs out**

"Here ya go."
**logs kid in**

"But that's the mining toon."

"Sure is. Now get to work."

--Gadget

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#22 - 2016-11-17 14:07:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Algarion Getz
Othran wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
So CCP has stated that a person cannot play more than 1 Alpha account, even on different computers


They can't play them at the same time without breaking the EULA, they can have as many accounts as they want, just can't play them at the same time unless they're paying subs on them.

I see lots of bans coming in, just like back in the days when you could multibox trials & "CCP will never know" Roll

Yea, there will be a lot of "Why the f*** was i banned?" threads in the near future, because no one reads the EULA. Unless CCP puts that information in the lauchner, they will have to swing the ban hammer many times.
Memphis Baas
#23 - 2016-11-17 14:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
Again, discussing how you can "wreak havoc" is against the forum rules.

CCP has posted their policy, we've repeated / linked it here, follow it, or don't (and suffer the consequences).

We're not your babysitters, don't care if you get banned.

We're not CCP's babysitters either, don't care if they get more or fewer subscriptions. Play the game while it's available / while it's good, move on when it starts to suck or they shut down the servers.

EDIT: They do have the information in the Launcher: the Launcher / the game / the server will not give you access if it detects multiple Alphas. All these threads are because people haven't tried, because they know it's against the rules and don't want to risk a ban. But we cannot discuss bans or CCP's detection methods. The only option for such threads is to open a support ticket and ask, instead of starting a thread.
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#24 - 2016-11-17 14:11:48 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Again, discussing how you can "wreak havoc" is against the forum rules.

CCP has posted their policy, we've repeated / linked it here, follow it, or don't (and suffer the consequences).

We're not your babysitters, don't care if you get banned.

We're not CCP's babysitters either, don't care if they get more or fewer subscriptions. Play the game while it's available / while it's good, move on when it starts to suck or they shut down the servers.

EDIT: They do have the information in the Launcher: the Launcher / the game / the server will not give you access if it detects multiple Alphas. All these threads are because people haven't tried, because they know it's against the rules and don't want to risk a ban. But we cannot discuss bans or CCP's detection methods. The only option for such threads is to open a support ticket and ask, instead of starting a thread.


Hear, Hear!
Be the better space leech.

--Gadget

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2016-11-17 14:13:33 UTC
Lord Ra wrote:
Bagatur I wrote:
I was under the impression that it is OK on different PCs, alpha account or not.
good luck though trying to prove that your "other notebook" is not a virtual machine box.



Good luck on CCP proving it is


CCP doesn't need to prove anything. This isn't a court of law. They can ban you because they don't like the cut of your job.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Spankerz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2016-11-17 14:22:39 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
So CCP has stated that a person cannot play more than 1 Alpha account, even on different computers.

Also, per the EULA, account sharing is not allowed, even between family members. Your GF, BF, wife, husband, kids, etc., must have accounts registered in their name, not yours. Except for minors, which require a parent or adult to open the account / supervise the account.

And finally, discussing CCP's detection methods is against the forum rules.

So, given all this, it would make sense to me that, if you have multiple family members wanting to play as Alphas, make sure that they register their own accounts, with separate emails, so when CCP detects multiple Alphas coming from the same IP, they check and see that it's legitimately different people.

EDIT: As for the OP's situation, you need to get 19 wives / live-in girlfriends, or convince your wife/GF to have 18 kids, or a mix of the two.



About separate emails and 19 wives, You do understand, that anyone can register 19 separate emails...
Also, where I work, I have 60+ desktops at my disposal, pair that with KVMS etc, and you are good to go.

Same goes with "People" per account, I can just ask 20 of those working for me to "Tell" CCP "This is my account, we play eve at work with colleagues"

In case that is not allowed, I can't really imagine CCP controlling this...

I of course will await response from CCP, as I dont really want to go against EULA.

As for CCP's revenue stream, I hope everyone understands that there is possibility I will make all of those accounts into omegas eventually.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2016-11-17 14:25:46 UTC
Engage You wrote:
CCP has always failed to realise that the everyone loses, especially themselves and the game, since the day they banned ISBOX

Here's the result of not allowing multibox:

- they lose hundreds if not thousands of possible subs due to the fact that people is having fun
- the community loses a ton of content and game activity
- people lose interest yet again and stop playing without giving a go at sub

and so much more.. there's basically only negatives by not allowing multibox.

PS: Create a limit of multibox per IP if multiboxers bother you, make it 4 clients per IP that should plenty for people to have fun.


Maybe they haven't realized it because they aren't really losing from a business standpoint.

Also, like everyone who fails to understand how IP sharing works, your "solution" would cost CCP more subs than banning ISBoxer.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Othran
Route One
#28 - 2016-11-17 14:26:32 UTC
Thinking about it, CCP could probably do with a flag set somewhere in the DB that an account (alpha or omega) is a child's account paid for/(un)supervised by an adult.

For all I know they have already, never was an issue for me as my kids (all grown up now) viewed Eve as some sort of insane dystopian nightmare where everyone was out to kill/scam/backstab you. Pretty good assessment over the years really Lol

These threads are predictable & I'm sure after a while the ISDs will lock them with a reference to section 2 of the EULA.
Memphis Baas
#29 - 2016-11-17 14:27:00 UTC
From what I've seen commented in the past, the typical ban goes like this:

1. CCP determines that you should be banned.
2. They review the evidence to make super-sure.
3. You get banned.
4. You can try to open a ticket to appeal / reverse the ban, presenting your evidence.
5. CCP reviews the evidence (takes some time, as it's a lower priority ticket)
6. You stay banned or you get unbanned.

In any case, the need to "prove" anything is on you, not CCP. You don't get a warning, "hey we're going to ban you if you don't stop", you just get banned, and then you have to prove that the ban was invalid.

And when it comes to proving, screenshots can be photoshopped, video can be edited/changed, chat logs can be changed, so they're not acceptable proof.
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#30 - 2016-11-17 14:50:53 UTC
"You may establish more than one Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one Account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the Accounts you intend to use for that purpose."

Any further information on particular situations should be directed to the GM via a Support Ticket under the EULA category.

ISD Max Trix

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to EVE mails about forum moderation.
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