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Multiboxing Alphas

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Spankerz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-11-17 12:24:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Spankerz
Hey hey CCP.

Got a question for you guys:

Is it alowed to log with 10+ alpha accounts if I log each from individual PC?:))

I have ~20 notebooks sitting and awaiting your confirmation on this Twisted


Edit: And of course, every account will be controlled individually, no input broadcasting.
Thomas Lot
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-11-17 12:29:04 UTC
No.










Doesn't mean some idiot isn't going to try to skirt the rule anyway.
Spankerz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-11-17 12:33:36 UTC
Well I see a lot of such posts. Can my... "My wife, my friend, room mate" and others play on the same IP from different PC.

If that is alowed, praise the CCP:) I will have some fun :D
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#4 - 2016-11-17 12:40:14 UTC
Asharin Anderan
Doomheim
#5 - 2016-11-17 12:59:02 UTC
If you can't, then that's a shame. My son wants to have a go at Eve as well, if we can't both play from same IP (though different PC's) then it's going to be , hey your turn to play now!
Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-11-17 13:13:06 UTC
I was under the impression that it is OK on different PCs, alpha account or not.
good luck though trying to prove that your "other notebook" is not a virtual machine box.
Lord Ra
Sicarius.
#7 - 2016-11-17 13:20:32 UTC
Bagatur I wrote:
I was under the impression that it is OK on different PCs, alpha account or not.
good luck though trying to prove that your "other notebook" is not a virtual machine box.



Good luck on CCP proving it is
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2016-11-17 13:22:06 UTC
Spankerz wrote:
Well I see a lot of such posts. Can my... "My wife, my friend, room mate" and others play on the same IP from different PC.

If that is alowed, praise the CCP:) I will have some fun :D

Dude with roommate reporting in.

I asked this question in the EULA update thread, since the EULA update dealt with precisely this sort of thing. I never got a response - probably because the thread was overrun with discussion about gambling as if it were the be-all end-all of EvE. So, I don't know if Devs even saw the question amidst the chaos. My inclination is that the answer is going to be "no", so I told my roommate not to bother. To be honest I doubt he'd enjoy the game enough to subscribe anyway, so there's no real loss at least in my case.

That said, this IS a serious issue for other people than me. CEO of a corp I'm in plays Omega of course, and he has a son who also plays sometimes (son confirmed, was in comms). Now if I understand the situation correctly, the son plays sporadically when time allows from school (so during summer, spring, winter break). Alphas give him the option to putz around a bit if only for just a weekend during school without having to subscribe for full Omega status, so this will eventually demand a direct and clear answer.

That situation is a bit different than the OP's question I know, but it's the same premise. The EULA says you can't have Alphas and Omegas from the same source (along with a restriction of *one* alpha per source), so it still needs to be addressed eventually.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9 - 2016-11-17 13:22:43 UTC
Lord Ra wrote:
Bagatur I wrote:
I was under the impression that it is OK on different PCs, alpha account or not.
good luck though trying to prove that your "other notebook" is not a virtual machine box.



Good luck on CCP proving it is

CCP doesn't need to prove anything. They can ban you for whatever reason, including none at all.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-11-17 13:26:10 UTC
Lord Ra wrote:
Bagatur I wrote:
I was under the impression that it is OK on different PCs, alpha account or not.
good luck though trying to prove that your "other notebook" is not a virtual machine box.



Good luck on CCP proving it is

the burden of proof is on you. that is if you are even lucky that they even consider your proof.
Herbert G Wells
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-11-17 13:38:30 UTC
I was always under the impression that hardware ID's were used to determine these things. Thus using a different PC should be perfectly fine. Otherwise you'd only be able to have one person per household playing EVE.
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#12 - 2016-11-17 13:40:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Algarion Getz
Spankerz wrote:
Well I see a lot of such posts. Can my... "My wife, my friend, room mate" and others play on the same IP from different PC.

If that is alowed, praise the CCP:) I will have some fun :D

I live in a dormitory, around 450 students use the same IP as me.
At home, i live in an apartment building, 21 people use the same IP as me.
A fellow EVE player lives in an university campus. Around 300 people use his IP.
VPN users ...

Shared IPs are quite common, limiting Alphas to 1 per IP would lock out many players.
Othran
Route One
#13 - 2016-11-17 13:43:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
Spankerz wrote:
Hey hey CCP.

Got a question for you guys:

Is it alowed to log with 10+ alpha accounts if I log each from individual PC?:))

I have ~20 notebooks sitting and awaiting your confirmation on this Twisted


Edit: And of course, every account will be controlled individually, no input broadcasting.



Its not permitted for one person to play more than one account at a time unless all of the accounts being played concurrently are paid accounts.

It is permissable for multiple unpaid accounts to be run from the same IP address provided those accounts are held by (and used by) different people. Not entirely sure how that affects children of the account holder though.

From the EULA :

"2. YOUR ACCOUNT

You may establish more than one Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one Account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the Accounts you intend to use for that purpose."


So if you do it & get caught its a permaban.
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#14 - 2016-11-17 13:48:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Algarion Getz
Othran wrote:
Spankerz wrote:
Hey hey CCP.

Got a question for you guys:

Is it alowed to log with 10+ alpha accounts if I log each from individual PC?:))

I have ~20 notebooks sitting and awaiting your confirmation on this Twisted


Edit: And of course, every account will be controlled individually, no input broadcasting.



Its not permitted for one person to play more than one account at a time unless all of the accounts being played concurrently are paid accounts.

It is permissable for multiple unpaid accounts to be run from the same IP address provided those accounts are held by (and used by) different people. Not entirely sure how that affects children of the account holder though.

From the EULA :

2. YOUR ACCOUNT

You may establish more than one Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one Account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the Accounts you intend to use for that purpose.


So if you do it & get caught its a permaban.

A lot of people are doing it already ... I was planning to do it too: Trying out new activites like faction warfare with an Alpha while doing AFKable activites like hauling, PI, etc on my Omegas.

It will be interesting to see how CCP handles this. A lot people are not aware of this, for example during a popular EVE stream yesterday we talked about this and came to the conclusion that this ok if you use different computers. No one reads the EULA^^
Engage You
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-11-17 13:50:12 UTC
CCP has always failed to realise that the everyone loses, especially themselves and the game, since the day they banned ISBOX

Here's the result of not allowing multibox:

- they lose hundreds if not thousands of possible subs due to the fact that people is having fun
- the community loses a ton of content and game activity
- people lose interest yet again and stop playing without giving a go at sub

and so much more.. there's basically only negatives by not allowing multibox.

PS: Create a limit of multibox per IP if multiboxers bother you, make it 4 clients per IP that should plenty for people to have fun.
mkint
#16 - 2016-11-17 13:52:00 UTC
Like anything with technology, there are probably multiple things they do to try to detect it, and there are probably multiple ways to get around it. Which is why they have an EULA, to state clearly to not do it, and when their detection methods uncover the security hole you're exploiting, expect to get permabanned.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Othran
Route One
#17 - 2016-11-17 13:54:12 UTC
Algarion Getz wrote:

It will be interesting to see how CCP handles this.


Somewhere on the feedback or issues threads for this expansion someone said that they could play both alpha/omega at the same time. Dev or GM stated that was an exploit under any circumstances.

It'll be a straight permaban IMHO if you're caught as you're ******* over CCPs revenue stream. You're also not violating the Terms of Service (ie the stuff that gets temp bans), you're violating a key term of the EULA, which in turn usually (always?) results in a permaban.

Up to you though Smile
Memphis Baas
#18 - 2016-11-17 13:56:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
So CCP has stated that a person cannot play more than 1 Alpha account, even on different computers.

Also, per the EULA, account sharing is not allowed, even between family members. Your GF, BF, wife, husband, kids, etc., must have accounts registered in their name, not yours. Except for minors, which require a parent or adult to open the account / supervise the account.

And finally, discussing CCP's detection methods is against the forum rules.

So, given all this, it would make sense to me that, if you have multiple family members wanting to play as Alphas, make sure that they register their own accounts, with separate emails, so when CCP detects multiple Alphas coming from the same IP, they check and see that it's legitimately different people.

EDIT: As for the OP's situation, you need to get 19 wives / live-in girlfriends, or convince your wife/GF to have 18 kids, or a mix of the two.
Othran
Route One
#19 - 2016-11-17 14:01:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
Memphis Baas wrote:
So CCP has stated that a person cannot play more than 1 Alpha account, even on different computers


They can't play them at the same time without breaking the EULA, they can have as many accounts as they want, just can't play them at the same time unless they're paying subs on them.

I see lots of bans coming in, just like back in the days when you could multibox trials & "CCP will never know" Roll

Edit - and in terms of detection it'll be utterly trivial (I can think of several easy ways) to flag up suspect accounts unless they're using "input automation" and CCP have their own way of detecting that. Up to people whether to take the risk or not....
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#20 - 2016-11-17 14:03:41 UTC
Engage You wrote:
CCP has always failed to realise that the everyone loses, especially themselves and the game, since the day they banned ISBOX

Here's the result of not allowing multibox:

- they lose hundreds if not thousands of possible subs due to the fact that people is having fun
- the community loses a ton of content and game activity
- people lose interest yet again and stop playing without giving a go at sub

and so much more.. there's basically only negatives by not allowing multibox.

PS: Create a limit of multibox per IP if multiboxers bother you, make it 4 clients per IP that should plenty for people to have fun.


I've not quite got their thinking based on the fact that a game like eve thrives and stays alive on activity - the more accounts logged in the better - the higher chance players will encounter things to do, the more alive the game feels, etc. etc. and it does nothing to stop someone who is really determined to wreak havoc i.e. I've 2x home broadband connections, 3x public wifi and 2x 4G connections accessible at home along with half a dozen PCs or laptops, etc. etc.
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