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This free to play move is funny

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Suroh Kurvora
Foxes and Kitties and Fun
#1 - 2016-11-16 14:42:57 UTC
The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play.


All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours.

GG
Herbert G Wells
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-11-16 15:08:30 UTC
I have to disagree with some of your points. I'm an old time EVE player, first played way back in 2004, started properly in 2005 and carried on that way until 2013. I took a break from then until now, mostly due to the fact that I couldn't afford to play any more. Over the years I tried, and sometimes succeeded, to get other people into the game. That proved incredibly difficult given the fact that the 2 week trial period was never long enough to give people a decent sense of the game and its community.

This new Alpha setup is, as far as I am concerned, a massive step in the right direction. I can now enjoy being part of the EVE universe again, though slightly limited, until such time as I can afford to sign up properly again, and it's given me a way to encourage those friends of mine who are careful with their money to try EVE out. I firmly believe that Alpha will have a fairly high conversion rate, and that will eventually prove to be the breath of fresh air this game needs.

Sure, things will be topsy turvy for a while, certain market segments will see price fluctuations, and there will be some natural die off from that, but overall I think it will still prove to be a net gain.
Suroh Kurvora
Foxes and Kitties and Fun
#3 - 2016-11-16 15:57:22 UTC
Herbert G Wells wrote:
I have to disagree with some of your points. I'm an old time EVE player, first played way back in 2004, started properly in 2005 and carried on that way until 2013. I took a break from then until now, mostly due to the fact that I couldn't afford to play any more. Over the years I tried, and sometimes succeeded, to get other people into the game. That proved incredibly difficult given the fact that the 2 week trial period was never long enough to give people a decent sense of the game and its community.

This new Alpha setup is, as far as I am concerned, a massive step in the right direction. I can now enjoy being part of the EVE universe again, though slightly limited, until such time as I can afford to sign up properly again, and it's given me a way to encourage those friends of mine who are careful with their money to try EVE out. I firmly believe that Alpha will have a fairly high conversion rate, and that will eventually prove to be the breath of fresh air this game needs.

Sure, things will be topsy turvy for a while, certain market segments will see price fluctuations, and there will be some natural die off from that, but overall I think it will still prove to be a net gain.


I doubt it but we shall see.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-11-16 16:09:23 UTC
If losing a ship to a gatecamp causes them to leave, Eve was never going to be a game for them, anyway.

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Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-11-16 16:09:41 UTC
Suroh Kurvora wrote:
The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play.


All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours.

GG


Eve has always had gate camps and greifing. If players are turned off by it, they wouldnt have lasted very long either way. Only the players who rise up and work to better themselves have always endured in EVE online.

This doesnt change whether free to play or pay to play. People have bought subscriptions and threatened to cancel their accounts because of greifing.
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-11-16 16:16:27 UTC
Yea, I'm gonna agree with the others. Gate camps might suck for people thinking this is WoW in space, but those people were unlikely to stay anyway.
Siigari Kitawa
New Eden Archery Club
#7 - 2016-11-16 16:24:32 UTC
When a blob of tech 1 fitted players blow up your souped up tech 2 boat you might change your mind.

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2016-11-16 16:34:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
"Slightly limited" is a bit of an understatement, but I don't see much of a problem with the skillset Alphas get. T1 is fine, really. Back in the day we actually used T1 ships and modules, and they haven't really gotten any worse since. So even though they are severely limited, I would say, Alphas should be able to play the game and get involved, and still have the option to sub/PLEX on demand if they want to. Eve has always been harsh, and 2-3 weeks have never been enough to get into the game and see behind all the scamming, stealing and ganking going on. Of course, if those things deter players from Eve, they will often do so within the first couple of weeks, but they are part of the game and anyone turned away by them wouldn't fit in anyway. So, I agree with Suroh Kurvora Herbert G Wells (got the names mixed up) that the new Alpha clone system should be in a pretty good state compared to what we had.
Darius Falc
Unforeseen Consequences.
Valkyrie Alliance
#9 - 2016-11-16 16:47:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Darius Falc
Limited? Wow...I sometimes wonder how much people making these criticisms play the game. T1 frigate, destroyer and cruiser gangs can be horrifically effective if the loadouts are right. It's entirely possible to get 700 dps out of a Thorax with a half way decent tank and destroyer gangs have long been a staple of null sec alliances. You're not going to be running Level 4 missions or C4s in these ships but for pretty much anything else you can put in a decent showing. I still occasionally take my Thorax out on roams despite being able to fly just about everything.

Frankly I really hope I do see blobs of T1 cruisers with new players trying to get my T2 ship....if they manage to EvE will be a better place for it!

More people playing, more people trying out low sec, more people building basic items, more people hauling stuff. I don't see how this is a bad thing?

Sure droves of these newbies are going to get lo sec ganked....they'll either quit, become high sec care bears or think "Wow, combat...that was cool!" and I'll try and recruit them.

It's high time that EvE got an influx of new blood and anything that helps that is great in my book!
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#10 - 2016-11-16 16:48:07 UTC
Siigari Kitawa wrote:
When a blob of tech 1 fitted players blow up your souped up tech 2 boat you might change your mind.


this. people have lost ships to the lemming swarms of rookie ships doing ganks, you get those same types organized even its its limited, they can fly thrasher and catalyst is causes a lot more damage than a rookie ship and ive already seen a number of alphas advertising for exactly that.

I hope all of the shipping lanes burn and all mining ceases.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2016-11-16 17:05:56 UTC
"Limited" doesn't necessarily mean useless. But limited they are. They cannot use T2 modules, T2 ships, a couple of core skills many consider essential, they cannot fly anything bigger than a cruiser (except for the gnosis), they have very little in terms of industry and trading skills, they cannot crosstrain - so yes, they are severely limited, and it would be ridiculous to say they aren't, regardless of what they will be able to do with their skillset.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-11-16 17:07:56 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Well... Being alpha in Eve is similar to be zergling in Starcraft.... Flying cheap stuff in swarms, being disposable and killing bigger stuff by numbers.... If that's your cup of tea then Alpha is for you.

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#13 - 2016-11-16 17:29:36 UTC
Gate camps are't griefing. Griefing is defined in the TOS and is a bannable offense. If you see someone greifing as per the TOS, report them, don't start a thread.
Tristan Valentina
Moira.
#14 - 2016-11-16 17:42:11 UTC
That you used the word griefing to talk about game mechanics makes this thread silly.

Come out to lowsec, it is what Alphas where built for, tons of Lowsec Corps will be able to pay for your losses and help you find wins.

If you are an alpha and you are getting ganked in high sec you are probably not doing it right.
Voxinian
#15 - 2016-11-16 17:49:27 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
"Limited" doesn't necessarily mean useless. But limited they are. They cannot use T2 modules, T2 ships, a couple of core skills many consider essential, they cannot fly anything bigger than a cruiser (except for the gnosis), they have very little in terms of industry and trading skills, they cannot crosstrain - so yes, they are severely limited, and it would be ridiculous to say they aren't, regardless of what they will be able to do with their skillset.


Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules.

And as for limitations it's okay overall, they only need to drop the restriction of only being able to fly ships of 1 faction. I don't see the point in that restriction.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#16 - 2016-11-16 17:52:12 UTC
Voxinian wrote:
Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules.

And as for limitations it's okay overall, they only need to drop the restriction of only being able to fly ships of 1 faction. I don't see the point in that restriction.


The point is to give a taste of the game, but still give people a reason to subscribe. So CCP can still make money off this change.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#17 - 2016-11-16 17:53:51 UTC
You can cry about it as much as you want, but you know what?

You can't quit anymore.. Haha
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2016-11-16 18:02:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Voxinian wrote:
Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules.

Alright smart guy, show me a proper Fit an Alpha can fly, complete with T2 guns, T2 Drones and T2 Ammunition for extra range, and you'll win a thousand internets. Despite the smartassery, I trust you surely understand what I'm saying. Alphas are pretty much gimped in terms of Skills, but that's alright, because this is Eve and in Eve about everything can be made to work.
Voxinian
#19 - 2016-11-16 18:08:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Voxinian
Neuntausend wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules.

Alright smart guy, show me a proper Fit an Alpha can fly, complete with T2 guns, T2 Drones and T2 Ammunition for extra range, and you'll win a thousand internets. Despite the smartassery, I trust you surely understand what I'm saying. Alphas are pretty much gimped in terms of Skills, but that's alright, because this is Eve and in Eve about everything can be made to work.


Thats not what I said smart guy. I said that I noticed some modules that are not locked for alpha clones. didn't say you could fit your entire ship with T2.

I believe I was able to fit T2 cap modules and a few other things.
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#20 - 2016-11-16 18:12:06 UTC
Agondray wrote:
...

I hope all of the shipping lanes burn and all mining ceases.


I'll drink to that! Twisted
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